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Can you teleport an unwilling, but unconscious, person with you?
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<blockquote data-quote="jasper" data-source="post: 192980" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>It appears comes down to this.</p><p>Spell gives no save except for objects.</p><p></p><p>So scotty can beam kirk up. If kirk is willing. If kirk is unwilling scotty can beam up kirk's pants. They get a save.</p><p></p><p>No if kirk is pass out from drinking dwarven ale. </p><p>Most people have said Kirk is beam out because he unable to make a decision.</p><p></p><p>The conditions summary are no help they only cover reflex.</p><p>The ability mods int 0 unconscious and helpless, wis 0 deep sleep and helpless</p><p></p><p>Int 0 immune to mind spells charm compulsions etc so charm person would not work.</p><p>Wis 0 anything with no wis score is object.</p><p>the spell states ...Only objects held or in use (attended) by another person receive saving throws and SR....</p><p></p><p>so the be a save as an object.</p><p></p><p>checking the magic overview we get ...Object): The spell can be cast on objects, which receive saving throws only if they are magical or if they are attended (held, worn, grasped, etc.) by a creature resisting the spell, in which case the object gets the creature's saving throw bonus unless its own bonus is greater. ...</p><p></p><p>I would rule you always attend your own body.</p><p></p><p>so the person will get a will save at -5 And lost any bonus from wisdom</p><p></p><p>This would be far and regardless scotty is trying to beam kirk out or ming is trying to beam him out the drunken sot will get a saving throw.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jasper, post: 192980, member: 277"] It appears comes down to this. Spell gives no save except for objects. So scotty can beam kirk up. If kirk is willing. If kirk is unwilling scotty can beam up kirk's pants. They get a save. No if kirk is pass out from drinking dwarven ale. Most people have said Kirk is beam out because he unable to make a decision. The conditions summary are no help they only cover reflex. The ability mods int 0 unconscious and helpless, wis 0 deep sleep and helpless Int 0 immune to mind spells charm compulsions etc so charm person would not work. Wis 0 anything with no wis score is object. the spell states ...Only objects held or in use (attended) by another person receive saving throws and SR.... so the be a save as an object. checking the magic overview we get ...Object): The spell can be cast on objects, which receive saving throws only if they are magical or if they are attended (held, worn, grasped, etc.) by a creature resisting the spell, in which case the object gets the creature's saving throw bonus unless its own bonus is greater. ... I would rule you always attend your own body. so the person will get a will save at -5 And lost any bonus from wisdom This would be far and regardless scotty is trying to beam kirk out or ming is trying to beam him out the drunken sot will get a saving throw. [/QUOTE]
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