CR Question Involving Templates

Angelsboi

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ok i have a creature that is normally CR 2. One template says: CR up to 3 HD - same as base creature. So i apply the template and it stays CR 2. Now the second template i add says the same thing. Does it still stay CR 2?
 

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I say CR 3

"Guardian" Fiendish Pseudonatural Fire Elemental: CR 2; AL CE; Size S; HD 2d8; hp 0; Init 5; Spd 50 ft.; AC 15 (Touch 12, Flat-footed 14), Slam +3 (Slam 1d4/Fire 1d4); SV Fort +0, Ref +4, Will +0; Str 10, Dex 13, Con 10, Int 4, Wis 11, Cha 11

Languages Spoken: Ignan

Skills (ranks are in parenthesis): Spot 5, Listen 5; Improved Initittive, Weapon Finesse (Slam)

Special Attacks: Burn (Reflex DC 11), Smite Good (1/day +2), True Strike (1/day +20 to attack Insight Bonus)

Special Qualities: Fire Subtype, Elemental (immune to critical hits, poison, sleep, paralysis and stunning), Darkvision 60', Cold/Electricity/Acid Resistance 5, SR 8, Alternate Form (-1 moral penalty to attack rolls/Standard Action)
 




Well i didnt know if there was like a specific way of doing it. I mean i think it should have a +1 CR added to it, thats why i was asking if anyone else had suggestions or had done this themselves.

;)
 

What is the guardian template and where is it from? Can these templates be placed upon an elemental? I forget for pseudonatural.

If you want to say a character's maternal granfather was a solar and their paternal grandmother was a succubus you could do it, but a fiendish, celestial kobold seems a bit goofy to me.

CRs are guides that are not always accurate, the more powers you add to a small creature the more likely the total effects will be worth a CR boost, but the vulnerability of low hit points also means they might be gone in one shot before they get to go which is not an increased challenge whether they have multiple smites or not.
 

there is no guardian template. its a small fire elemental with the pseudonatural (T&B) and Fiendish (MM) templates added to it. the creature is called Guardian
 


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