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<blockquote data-quote="Ralts Bloodthorne" data-source="post: 371143" data-attributes="member: 6390">Not deadly enough?&nbsp; Tell that to the poor orcish savage tribesman (A PC) who is stapled to the sewer wall in the ruins last weekend.&nbsp; Phhhht!&nbsp; Phhht!&nbsp; That's a crit threat against AC 25, and a AC 27.&nbsp; What?&nbsp; Aw man!&nbsp; They both got me.&nbsp; That's a 21 HP and a 7 HP.&nbsp; I'm at -14.&nbsp; OK, the orcish warrior walks out into the hallway and peers nearsightedly into the darkness.&nbsp; Two arrows come streaking out of the darkness, and pin him to the the wall, followed by two more that pin his corpse that much further.Not believing that the Green Dragon will eat them if they don't ante up a horse?&nbsp; Not my players.&nbsp; They'll unass that horse faster than you can say &quot;Glue Factory&quot;.You can't go by CR.&nbsp; I don't know how many people I have to tell this too.&nbsp; CR is a basic guideline, and the rules for calculating CR's are flat out broken.&nbsp; As for your problem, it sounds like it lies in the hands of the GM.&nbsp; I could name off dozens of examples where my players (who are pretty smart and canny) have had thier backs to the wall by monster who were not god-like powered.&nbsp; Either the GM isn't playing the monsters like they should be, or he is underestimating the players.&nbsp; And I've had a group of 1st level PC's beat the stuffings out of a CR 5 monster, did I award them full XP?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; I estimated the Encounter Level as 1 (Jumping out and bushwacking a wounded Yuan-Ti is not CR 5) and awarded XP according to Encounter Level.&nbsp;&nbsp; Oooh, 300 XP to divvy up between 6 characters.&nbsp; The whopping 50XP!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ralts Bloodthorne, post: 371143, member: 6390"] Not deadly enough? Tell that to the poor orcish savage tribesman (A PC) who is stapled to the sewer wall in the ruins last weekend. Phhhht! Phhht! That's a crit threat against AC 25, and a AC 27. What? Aw man! They both got me. That's a 21 HP and a 7 HP. I'm at -14. OK, the orcish warrior walks out into the hallway and peers nearsightedly into the darkness. Two arrows come streaking out of the darkness, and pin him to the the wall, followed by two more that pin his corpse that much further. Not believing that the Green Dragon will eat them if they don't ante up a horse? Not my players. They'll unass that horse faster than you can say "Glue Factory". You can't go by CR. I don't know how many people I have to tell this too. CR is a basic guideline, and the rules for calculating CR's are flat out broken. As for your problem, it sounds like it lies in the hands of the GM. I could name off dozens of examples where my players (who are pretty smart and canny) have had thier backs to the wall by monster who were not god-like powered. Either the GM isn't playing the monsters like they should be, or he is underestimating the players. And I've had a group of 1st level PC's beat the stuffings out of a CR 5 monster, did I award them full XP? No. I estimated the [b]Encounter Level[/b] as 1 (Jumping out and bushwacking a wounded Yuan-Ti is not CR 5) and awarded XP according to Encounter Level. Oooh, 300 XP to divvy up between 6 characters. The whopping 50XP! [/QUOTE]

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