Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again season two discussion

[chuckdee]

Related to that, I am not a Daredevil comic reader and have not seen the original show. What was Heather on about with Karen killing her brother? I know she did kill someone (came up in previous dialogue between her and Matt when talking about Bullseye), but I did not get the impression it was a family member.

Her backstory in the original series was that she left her small town to come to New York because of this and he trying to leave the trauma behind. And she killed Fisk's right hand man in the original series - the one shown in the flashback sequence, Wesley.

 

[Tonguez]

What was Heather on about with Karen killing her brother? I know she did kill someone (came up in previous dialogue between her and Matt when talking about Bullseye), but I did not get the impression it was a family member.

Karens backstory is revealed in Season 3 whereby she was formerly a coccaine addict living in Vermont after her mother died. She got into a fight with her father and brother Kevin about her addiction and left with her drug-dealer boyfriend. Kevin came to get her, but the boyfriend attacked him with a crowbar, leading Karen to shooting said Boyfriend in order to save Kevin - however in the rush to get Kevin to hospital she ended up flipping their car, killing Kevin.
Her father is friends with the local sheriff who covers it up as long as Karen leaves town - thus she moves to New York. (Nonetheless Ben Urlich and later Fisk are later able to uncover the papertrail that points to her involvement)

Karen tries to get clean and gets a job in New York but trouble haunts her. She detects money laundering in the company and when she tries to expose it gets framed for murder of her coworker, which is how she met Foggy and Matt when they agree to be her lawyers (season 1).
As indicated by Chuckdee she also kills Wesley. Karen has 3 kills to her record (4 if you count Kevin) so her conflict is between being a 'good person' and her willingness to kill - which is why she is able to sympathise with Frank Castle when she meets him

 

[Clint_L]

Daniel made the right choice, even if it cost him his life. Buck made the wrong choice, and it likely cost him what little was left of his soul. I hope that BB manages to evade Buck and survive.

Daniel made the right choice???

Spoiler

To go and be executed?

As soon as he showed up my spouse asked if he was supposed to be an idiot, and I had to concede the point.

That whole story arc and all three characters annoy me. The season would be stronger without the unnecessary C plot.

 

[pukunui]

Daniel made the right choice???

He made the right choice by letting BB go. Yes, he should have run too, but I had a sense early on that he wasn’t going to make it out alive.

Also, this is a spoiler thread, so you don’t need to hide stuff behind spoiler blocks.

 

[Ryujin]

Yes, there were lots of little bits and pieces here and there that are not dwelt on, but just enhance the show.

Like, when Heather is "assessing" Karen and Karen starts effectively pushing some buttons there is a quick shot of Muse in the mirrored window of the interrogation room. Not quite blink and you miss it, but in the background enough that it you are not looking for it you will not see it. Not necessary to make or break the scene, but just a little extra enhancement in post-production (I assume) to show the state of mind of the characters.

Related to that, I am not a Daredevil comic reader and have not seen the original show. What was Heather on about with Karen killing her brother? I know she did kill someone (came up in previous dialogue between her and Matt when talking about Bullseye), but I did not get the impression it was a family member.

Cheers

Thanks for that. I noticed that cut, but couldn't recognize who it was.

Karen's brother died in a car crash, while she was driving. Heather was playing on Karen's self blame.

 

[trappedslider]

But why confront Buck? The only way that's anything but bravado is if he did it because he knows if he didn't his mother would be at risk.

I think and i'll have to watch it again but it felt like Danny's little speech got under Buck's skin.

 

[nevin]

Indeed. But I did think it strange that there was no mention of him at all. Maybe episode 2?

Cheers

It feels like they completely rewrote the script after getting all the reviews for season one and didn't do a good job integrating all the threads

 

[Rune]

Daniel made the right choice???

Spoiler

To go and be executed?

As soon as he showed up my spouse asked if he was supposed to be an idiot, and I had to concede the point.

That whole story arc and all three characters annoy me. The season would be stronger without the unnecessary C plot.

Daniel made it clear he believed Buck would go after his family to get to him. Confronting Buck was a sacrifice for his mother. And, yes, it absolutely (pun intended) was the correct moral decision – penance for his sins after his confession (to BB).

 

[Ryujin]

Daniel made it clear he believed Buck would go after his family to get to him. Confronting Buck was a sacrifice for his mother. And, yes, it absolutely (pun intended) was the correct moral decision – penance for his sons after his confession (to BB).

it also gave BB a running start, given that Buck could likely have just jogged down the street and caught her. He didn't know that, but Daniel did.

 

[pukunui]

I think and i'll have to watch it again but it felt like Danny's little speech got under Buck's skin.

For sure! That was not an easy shot for Buck to take.