deathless and crearure type questions

[parinho7]

Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude
save, except for energy drain attacks, effects that
also work on objects, and harmless effects.

1) does this include spells?

2) is this the same as the undead type trait?

3) if a creature change type does it gain the type features too? (hd, bab, saves, skill point)

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

1. A spell is an effect, so yes.

2. If not, it's pretty close.

3. It depends; sometimes yes, sometimes no. Generally, those you get from your creature type and creature HD change, those you get from levels in classes do not.

 

[parinho7]

undead type has the following trait:

Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).

does this mean that they can be affected by polymorph any object spell without save?

 

[Jimlock]

does this mean that they can be affected by polymorph any object spell without save?

Yes, you can turn an ancient Lich into a beer mat, WITHOUT a save.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

does this mean that they can be affected by polymorph any object spell without save?

No, not without a save. Undead are generally immune to anything that requires a Fort save, but in the event that they aren't immune, they still get to attempt that Fort save (usually at a pretty bad bonus, since they have no Con scores).

Ferinstance, standard Vampire Spawns have a Fort save modifier of +1.

 

[the Jester]

Deathless is one of 3e's very stupid "This is just like evil thing X, only it's GOOD!" things.

Undead --> Deathless
Poison --> Whatever those poisons "for good guys!" in BoED are called.

Ugh.

But- Patryn has it right; you get a Fort save against effects that can target objects and immunity to Fort-targeting effects, even spells, that target creatures.

 

[Empirate]

"Ravages".

Also, the Avenger PrC. But that was an April Fool's Day thing.