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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6756140" data-attributes="member: 996">Tier 2, sure.&nbsp; Even so, it wasn't a distant second or a matter of strict inferiority.&nbsp; The Wizard and Sorcerer could each do things the other outright couldn't - the wizard's stuff just came out ahead in the calculus of optimization.&nbsp; I think that's overstating it.&nbsp; You /can/ use spells for non-offensive purposes at low levels, it just becomes convenient to do so at higher levels, since you don't give up meaningful offense in the process.&nbsp; The same was true in 3.x, for similar reasons.&nbsp; In 5e, your spells scale damage and the like with slot level, but scale saves with character level, so only your higher level slots are really suitable for offense (mostly in the form of damage).&nbsp; In 3.5, your spells scaled damage &amp;c with caster level, but scale saves with slot level, so only your higher level spell slots were really suitable for offense (mostly in the form of SoD).&nbsp; In both cases, your lower level spells remain useful for other purposes at higher level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6756140, member: 996"] Tier 2, sure. Even so, it wasn't a distant second or a matter of strict inferiority. The Wizard and Sorcerer could each do things the other outright couldn't - the wizard's stuff just came out ahead in the calculus of optimization. I think that's overstating it. You /can/ use spells for non-offensive purposes at low levels, it just becomes convenient to do so at higher levels, since you don't give up meaningful offense in the process. The same was true in 3.x, for similar reasons. In 5e, your spells scale damage and the like with slot level, but scale saves with character level, so only your higher level slots are really suitable for offense (mostly in the form of damage). In 3.5, your spells scaled damage &c with caster level, but scale saves with slot level, so only your higher level spell slots were really suitable for offense (mostly in the form of SoD). In both cases, your lower level spells remain useful for other purposes at higher level. [/QUOTE]

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