D&D General Disentangling D&D from D&D Fantasy

[Reynard]

Yes I know, but D&D fantasy is built upon those things from Apoendix N originally. So is a current version not so closely tied to it still D&D, or has it already become something else?

Would you be able to set up tables playing 70s version, 80s version, 90s version, etc, Pathfinder, Daggerheart, Draw Steel (this is the Colville one or is that Cosmere?); and walk past each and without seeing the books know which was D&D and which was not? How would you tell if not by the "Appendix N" that drives them?

Those games are all heroic fantasy games that use D&D fantasy as their main genre of play.

 

[SothFan]

Those games are all heroic fantasy games that use D&D fantasy as their main genre of play.

The 70s version of D&D is not D&D, but a heroic fantasy game that uses D&D fantasy as it's main genre?

 

[Reynard]

The 70s version of D&D is not D&D, but a heroic fantasy game that uses D&D fantasy as it's main genre?

I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

 

[ECMO3]

What are your favorite examples of this?

"Favorite" is kind of a misnomer because my favorite is high magic, high fantasy so they are not my cup of tea. But I have played Gallaxium and that sci-fi settings, classes and powers work fine using the 5.5E rules underpinning them.

 

[ECMO3]

Just to reiterate from the OP, the question isn't about doing other genres with D&D, it is about doing different kinds of fantasy beyond "D&D Fantasy."

Like Darksun or Planescape?

I think Spelljammer, Crooked Moon, LOTR do that pretty well.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

D&D Fantasy may have begun with Appendix N, but it has morphed into an ourorobos of itself, video games, paperback fantasy and itself again. D&D is its own genre of fantasy. The thread question is: can D&D do different kinds of fantasy, and still be D&D?

I would liken D&D fantasy to the Borg, not Ouroboros.

"We are D&D. Lower your screens and surrender your dice. We will add your mechanical and narrative distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

 

[SothFan]

I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

Apparently not. I was sure my question was quite clear.

 

[Tonguez]

My questions about Blue Rose has always been am I able to play Romantic Fiction in DnD?
I enjoyed the Birthright setting, Curse of Stradh brings gothic romance, Dragonlance has normal people pulled in to a high level epic - all the elements are there but are they all DnD?

 

[Dessert Nomad]

Apparently not. I was sure my question was quite clear.

Your question was clear, but it doesn't make sense in context. Specifically, I'm not sure how you got to your question from what you were replying to - Reynard didn't say anything remotely like "The 70s version of D&D is not D&D". He did say different versions of D&D are included in "heroic fantasy games that use D&D fantasy as their main genre of play", but that doesn't mean that they're 'not D&D' which your question assumes and is the core of the question.

 

[SothFan]

Your question was clear, but it doesn't make sense in context. Specifically, I'm not sure how you got to your question from what you were replying to - Reynard didn't say anything remotely like "The 70s version of D&D is not D&D". He did say different versions of D&D are included in "heroic fantasy games that use D&D fantasy as their main genre of play", but that doesn't mean that they're 'not D&D' which your question assumes and is the core of the question.

Then my original question was clearly avoided or twisted then? Perhaps just hurried answering and missed context? I thought it was clear.

So is a current version not so closely tied to it still D&D, or has it already become something else?

Would you be able to set up tables playing 70s version, 80s version, 90s version, etc,

and walk past each and without seeing the books know which was D&D and which was not? How would you tell if not by the "Appendix N" that drives them?

I cut out the "other" games so maybe it is clear now, because that was the only portion answered.

Those games are all heroic fantasy games that use D&D fantasy as their main genre of play.

To which I thought was implied, all earlier version, including the one with the Appendix N, were just "fantasy games using D&D fantasy as their main genre". (Which I did include as part of my question as a possibility. See bolded.)

Which is what really confused me and why I then asked

The 70s version of D&D is not D&D, but a heroic fantasy game that uses D&D fantasy as it's main genre?

To make sure it was known the other versions of D&D were central to my question, whike the other games were side analysis questions of simlar range, but not scope.

Thanks for being a third set of eyes.