Divine Grace Question

[CerebralAssassin]

I apologize if this has been asked before, but does the bonus to saving throws a paladin gets from Divine Grace stack with standard ability modifiers to saves? I didn't see anything in the PHB (1st printing), Errata, or FAQ regarding this, so any help would be appreciated.

Nathan Hawks
The Cerebral Assassin

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

Definitely so. Both are different bonuses, ability and divine grace which makes them eligible to stack.

 

[CerebralAssassin]

Ok, I thought as much, but I wanted to be certain.

Nathan Hawks
The Cerebral Assassin

 

[RigaMortus]

Technically it isn't a bonus, it is a modifier. There are rules about bonuses of the same name not stacking, but there aren't about ability modifiers stacking.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Technically it isn't a bonus, it is a modifier. There are rules about bonuses of the same name not stacking, but there aren't about ability modifiers stacking.

"A paladin applies his Cha modifier (if positive) as a bonus to all saving throws."

"Bonus: A positive modifier to a die roll."

"Modifier: Any bonus or penalty applying to a die roll. A positive modifier is a bonus, and a negative modifier is a penalty."

-Hyp.

 

[RigaMortus]

So what kind of bonus does the Charisma modifier give to saving throws, and what kind of bonus does the Dexterity modifier give to Reflex saves?

 

[Hypersmurf]

So what kind of bonus does the Charisma modifier give to saving throws, and what kind of bonus does the Dexterity modifier give to Reflex saves?

A Charisma bonus and a Dexterity bonus, obviously.

If you picked up a Prestige Class that applied your Charisma bonus to saving throws, it wouldn't stack with Divine Grace, because they're both Charisma Bonuses.

If a monk multiclasses with a PrC that adds Wisdom bonus to AC, it wouldn't stack, because they're both Wisdom bonuses.

-Hyp.

 

[da chicken]

So what kind of bonus does the Charisma modifier give to saving throws, and what kind of bonus does the Dexterity modifier give to Reflex saves?

Unnamed. Everything stacks with them, so giving them a name would be adding pointless rules.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Unnamed. Everything stacks with them, so giving them a name would be adding pointless rules.

So if there were a Prestige Class that added your Charisma modifier (if positive) as a bonus to your Reflex saves, would you let that stack with a Paladin's Divine Grace to add double the Charisma bonus?

-Hyp.

 

[Samhain California]

Well it seems to me that PrCs that give an ability akin to divine grace (CHA to saves) make a specific allowance for Divine grace, instead of re-adding the Cha bouns it just adds one to the saves.

Note this is from WOTC material, im not famialiar so much with most 3rd party material, specifically the PrC i am thikning of is the mystic wanderer

--josh