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Message: <blockquote data-quote="baradtgnome" data-source="post: 1315153" data-attributes="member: 2722">I agree with your position.  The rigid extension of the above statement would also prevent procuring the services of a wizard to cast identify for you or from even using the instructions included in the wand case.How does it play out in your game?  Do you play it out or just give it to them?  While the fighters are cleaning the gore from their weapons, I the wizard will take 20, figuring from the detect magic what relative level it is and narrowing the list of choices by the school try all the combinations.  I just need to tell you where I am standing and what I am pointing at.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> But it does assume that I, the wizard, 'know' the spell list even though I don't know all the spells; that it is a spell that would be on the common 'know' list; and that once cast I would recongnize the spell; and that I pick an appropriate target or could hold the spell to discharge it for a touch spell.</blockquote>