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<blockquote data-quote="Cherub" data-source="post: 2545173" data-attributes="member: 33211"><p>Dear Fellow DMs,</p><p></p><p>I recently encountered a situation that was partly of my making, and in my efforts to rectify it with options and middle-ground solutions that the players could provide me with, I've encountered initial reactions from players that bordered on the downright rude, even tho I managed to preserve all semblance of common courtesy in all my communications with them, to date, until the most recent few exchanges...without skirting around the issue, I will spill it out in brief for your wise counsel:</p><p></p><p>Its been 2 plus years since I ran a game for my former group due to the fact that I have been stationed overseas for work...I figured that since I am soon due for a home-leave for a few weeks I run a game for them before I leave for my next destination...also to give me an excuse to get involved with D&D after such a long hiatus...they last stopped play at around 11-13 levels...There was a request to play a higher level game this time around since I have avoided running a game higher than 14th Lev in the several years that I have managed this group...it was proposed that they play at around 15 levels...so i figured what the heck...despite my reservations about high lev games...i thot it might be time to break out of my comfort zone and take up the challenge...so after a quick reference of the PHB...i figured 15th Lev equals to 105,000 XP...using that as a basis, I asked them to elevate their respective characters based on that figure...little did i realise that in so doing, a multi-class PC can now effectively divide his XP and levels such that he can effectively play an Epic Level PC; for instance a 10th Lev / 11th Lev character which adds up to (45,000 / 55,000) 100,000 XP...now after some heated discussion, I have decided to accept my oversight and go with what I'd initially acceded to (i.e. 105,000 XP)... (assuming I have not overlooked any SRD Rule and my reasoning thus far is true to the core rules) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> (it has been close to 2 and a half years since I last DMed)</p><p></p><p>I am now in a bit of a quandry , coz I have planned about a 3rd of the game pitched at CR15-18, but now I have to pretty much go back to ground zero and effectively start from scratch all over again with a new plot line...and I have have little or no experience in DMing anything higher than 14th Lev...I would like to tap into the rich wellspring that bubbles in these forum pages for plot ideas and hooks and possible encounters that I could use to weave a game that will keep them intrigued and challenged...I dont want the game to become a series of hostile encounters just to keep them challenged...I am toying with the possibility of going extra-planar just to keep them challenged... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /> </p><p></p><p>The game setting is based in Forgotten Realms...I'd introduced a dark and shadowy organisation thats over-taken the Zhentarim during their mid-levels...which is only known to them as the Cabal...The Elves of Evermeet are starting to Return to Faerun...They have helped the kingdom of Cormyr and Deepingdale to some significant extent during the bulk of their previous games...the PCs are composed of a human Paladin, an Elven Wizard, an Elven Ranger/Archer type, and a human War-Priest...one or more of them are close to dabbling with Lev 26 due to my oversight... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /> </p><p></p><p>This is a generall call for counsel and suggestions by those who have gone before me into the misty realm of Epic Level games (note: I do not own the Epic Level Handbook and as far as possible except for the effective Levels / CRs of PCs and NPCs I would like to stay away from the contents of that manual and concept)... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>Let me have your thoughts and ideas...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cherub, post: 2545173, member: 33211"] Dear Fellow DMs, I recently encountered a situation that was partly of my making, and in my efforts to rectify it with options and middle-ground solutions that the players could provide me with, I've encountered initial reactions from players that bordered on the downright rude, even tho I managed to preserve all semblance of common courtesy in all my communications with them, to date, until the most recent few exchanges...without skirting around the issue, I will spill it out in brief for your wise counsel: Its been 2 plus years since I ran a game for my former group due to the fact that I have been stationed overseas for work...I figured that since I am soon due for a home-leave for a few weeks I run a game for them before I leave for my next destination...also to give me an excuse to get involved with D&D after such a long hiatus...they last stopped play at around 11-13 levels...There was a request to play a higher level game this time around since I have avoided running a game higher than 14th Lev in the several years that I have managed this group...it was proposed that they play at around 15 levels...so i figured what the heck...despite my reservations about high lev games...i thot it might be time to break out of my comfort zone and take up the challenge...so after a quick reference of the PHB...i figured 15th Lev equals to 105,000 XP...using that as a basis, I asked them to elevate their respective characters based on that figure...little did i realise that in so doing, a multi-class PC can now effectively divide his XP and levels such that he can effectively play an Epic Level PC; for instance a 10th Lev / 11th Lev character which adds up to (45,000 / 55,000) 100,000 XP...now after some heated discussion, I have decided to accept my oversight and go with what I'd initially acceded to (i.e. 105,000 XP)... (assuming I have not overlooked any SRD Rule and my reasoning thus far is true to the core rules) :confused: (it has been close to 2 and a half years since I last DMed) I am now in a bit of a quandry , coz I have planned about a 3rd of the game pitched at CR15-18, but now I have to pretty much go back to ground zero and effectively start from scratch all over again with a new plot line...and I have have little or no experience in DMing anything higher than 14th Lev...I would like to tap into the rich wellspring that bubbles in these forum pages for plot ideas and hooks and possible encounters that I could use to weave a game that will keep them intrigued and challenged...I dont want the game to become a series of hostile encounters just to keep them challenged...I am toying with the possibility of going extra-planar just to keep them challenged... :uhoh: The game setting is based in Forgotten Realms...I'd introduced a dark and shadowy organisation thats over-taken the Zhentarim during their mid-levels...which is only known to them as the Cabal...The Elves of Evermeet are starting to Return to Faerun...They have helped the kingdom of Cormyr and Deepingdale to some significant extent during the bulk of their previous games...the PCs are composed of a human Paladin, an Elven Wizard, an Elven Ranger/Archer type, and a human War-Priest...one or more of them are close to dabbling with Lev 26 due to my oversight... :uhoh: This is a generall call for counsel and suggestions by those who have gone before me into the misty realm of Epic Level games (note: I do not own the Epic Level Handbook and as far as possible except for the effective Levels / CRs of PCs and NPCs I would like to stay away from the contents of that manual and concept)... :) Let me have your thoughts and ideas... [/QUOTE]
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