I meant to post this before, but cut it out by mistake. How do other RPGs and older versions of D&D treat that much better? I'm not familiar with 4e, but I'm pretty sure 3/3.5e works basically the same way (you get a few points shuffled around on skill/saves). 1e/2e didn't have a point buy option so didn't really handle it at all, or used the 'just give them high scores and don't worry about the balance' solution that 5/5.5e has.
OTOH I'm not even sure what 'treat those much better' actually means, can you give an idea of what you're looking for and a system that does that better?
Ok so 4E handles (most) stat combinations in general way better, but Dex/Strength especially. So here what makes it better:
- There are only 3 saving throws not 6. The better of Strength/Con adds to your fortitude save. So Strength is a lot less of a dump stat than in 5e and someone with high dex still can profit from having a good strength.
- From the stat distribution its quite normal to have 18/18/12/12/10/8 as starting stats. So main stat and secondary stat are equally high. Also on level 4/8/14/18(24/28) you increase 2 stats by 1. And feats are independant of that. So you can keep your secondary stat high without losing anything.
- Subclasses are normally associated with a secondary stat. So if you are a Strength character like Fighter or Barbarian, chances are good you have a dex subclass which does profit from having dexterity high.
- The different subclasses (and different stats) normally also have a theme/flavour to make different fighting styles feel more different, so a dex subclass would normally feel different from a con subclass dex is normally about mobility and precision while con is more about survivability like temp hp.
- Then feats (of which you get more and automatically) are often dependant on certain stats. So if you want a specific feat you need some stats high enough.
- This does include certain weapon specialization feats which makes them stat dependant. Like if you go Str Dex you can qualify for Heavy Blade, Spear and Flail Masteries, while going Str and Con allows you to reach Axe, Bludgeoning and Pick Mastery.
- Which weapon you use can also change your way of fighting:
- Weapons of course have some (slightly) different stats, like spears often having reach, swords are more precise etc.
- They also bring different feats with them, starting with the expertise feats which almost everyone gets for one weapon group, where spear gets bonus damage when charging (so bonus when moving), pick gets bonus damage against creatures larger than you heavy blades gives a bonus against opportunity attacks (to move around).
- Special non expertise feats for weapons also exist, like heavy blade has one which allows you to use a "maneuver" for opportunity attacks instead of a basic attack. (at will attacks)
- Certain maneuvers also need specific weapons, or give a bonus with some weapons. Like weapon masters strike deals constitution bonus damage with an axe, lets you do an opportunity attack if the enemy shifts (movement which normally does not provoke opportunity attacks), a heavy blade gives a small bonus to AC for 1 turn, and a mace lets you move the target 1 square.
- Different weapon groups also have different magical items. So certain enchantments can only be on an axe or a spear etc. (and in 4e you can "craft" your magical items, so its not just drop dependant.)
- In addition you can get utility powers from your trained skills, and normally you want to train skills in which you have good stats. So being Strength based and being good in athletics lets you also choose an utility power allowing you to jump over an enemy etc.
So lets show a bit more how a Str/dex fighter with subclass etc. can be different to a non dex fighter:
- On level 1 you can choose Instead of a bonus to hit with opportunity attacks, the ability to follow a target which moves away (dex modifier squares) and then attack it hitting it prone when hitting. Showcasing how you are faster/more mobile than a non dex fighter
- Then you could potentially also take on level 1 the feat dragging flail which needs dex 15 (which normally means its your secondary stat) which lets you also move an enemy 1 square if you hit them prone with a flail.
- When a target next to you which you had marked (like in soccer) dies, you can use the close the gap utility power (from level 2) to move up to your desterity modifier and mark another target.
- With the advanced lunge maneuver (level 3) you can shift 1 (or 2 with a spear or light blade) before your attack and if you had combat advantage on the attack the target takes extra damage according to your dexterity. (Mobility maneuver with high precision bonus)
- etc. there is every 2nd level 2+ maneuvers relying on dexterity.
Yeah, I forgot to mention the 3 point difference in initiative. Also back to the original challenge of using both mechanically, I think that using strength for attacks and dex for AC (optional), initiative, saves, and stealth qualifies as using both.
But these does not really change the playstile / your mechanics, just your numbers. Maybe you try to stealth more if it is higher.
But with high strength you normally want heavy armor (or at least medium armor) which normally had disadvantage on stealth so using stealth is discouraged.
Thats the point if you have strength already then dex is just way less useful, since you can have good (even better) AC without dex, you dont want to use stealth because of the armor, and you already have a stat which lets you attack in melee (and with thrown at range).
Higher initiative and saves is nice, but the point you put into dex would elso go into con or wis which both are equally important or maybe even more important saves.
It helps a bit with initiative sure, but there are origin feats etc. which help even more.
And again it does not change what you can do, how you behave vs a non dex fighter, where having dex based maneuvers like in 4E do change your playstile.
Dexter has: STR 15 (17) DEX 14 CON 13(14) WIS 13 INT/CHA 8/8
Nodex has STR 15 (17) DEX 8 CON 15(16) WIS 15 INT/CHA 8/8
14 dex is not secondary stat. Secondary stat normally means 16, so compare a real "dex fighter" to a real good fighter, not a pseudo dex fighter, because if you want to attack with dex you want it to be at least 16, else from level 4 (and remember level 3 is now starting level) you are -2 behind the normal stat. Also 15 wis is stupid 14 wis and 10 dex is stronger.
The stats would more be:
- 17 str, 16 dex, 14 con, 10 wis
- 17 str, 16 con, 14 wis, 10 dex
So same amount of good saves, and -1 hp per level AND -1 hp per hit dice rolled in short rest. Also you traded +3 on dex skills (of which the best stealth is not really usable with your best armor options) vs +2 on wis skills, where perception is one of the most important skills.
Also the 2nd fighter could take a con based fighter subclass and has +1 to saving throws on their subclass features. (Like Rune Knight). While the 16 dex fighter has no subclass where the 16 dex would be usable.
