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<blockquote data-quote="big dummy" data-source="post: 2887632" data-attributes="member: 41052"><p>What does somebodies philosophy or politics have to do with a book about dragons or swords or spells? You are trying to punish people who don't agree with you. It's going to lead to less and less people being honest.</p><p></p><p>This, to me, is yet another piece of a trend which is increasingly leading into an Emperor Has No Clothes situation. If the game does stagnate again it will be, in my opinion, due to the attitude of a lot of the fan base. It's already like "hear no evil, see no evil... or ELSE!!!"</p><p></p><p>You know, after reading this thread, I'm glad I don't write D20 stuff any more. There are some really nice people in this genre, in the industry and just into this game, but there are also some really vile people, who make me frankly not want to waste my time writing material for. I'm not specifically referring to you ShinHakkaider, I don't know you... but I am really frustrated with some of the general attitude I encounter in places like this.</p><p></p><p>I've always been someone who, while into other games, was open to D&D as well. D&D was my first love. I still remember my first lame character in Summer camp, an elf magic user with nothing but the lowly ability to cast "dancing lights", soon killed by orcs for struggling while captive. A truly magical moment to me. I'll really never forget that first game and the charge I felt. I won't forget many other games in high school, in the army, as a young adult later on.</p><p></p><p>But it seems like since 3.X has come out, there is a nastyness which has crept in somehow, I've noticed it in gaming groups and I've noticed it bigtime online. Most people I know who play other games abhor D&D, specifically because of the fan base. I thought they were crazy, but I'm beginning to see some of that. Because even if it's a small proportion of players who are nasty like this, they seem to be gaining ground... gaining an influence on the overall culture of the game far beyond their small numbers, driving some people away while attracting more like themselves. Dialogue about the future if the game already seems to be effectively almost forbidden, discussion of any general aspect of D&D (as opposed to specific, like feats or spells) can really get you in hot water. Thats really crazy if you think about it. (It would be like going on a road trip where opening the map was forbidden, discussing the destination was forbidden....)</p><p></p><p>(because trust me, you have a lot more influence in here than you think)</p><p></p><p>Now you can add to that that if you are a writer, you better be doubly careful to keep your mouth shut. Your stuff can be boycotted or worse, companies who have been nice enough to print your work can end up receiving the blame.</p><p></p><p>I know you have a lot of writers in this genre, a high percentage of players are wanna be writers at heart. You have quite a valuable resource of creativity in all those people. I just hope you don't burn it all out though in spite of that abundance, because you are alienating some of those folks at a very alarming rate. I know because I hear the same from a lot of other writers. Very few are as pugnacious as I am and therefore you are very unlikely to hear from them their true feelings on a lot of these matters. </p><p></p><p>BD</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="big dummy, post: 2887632, member: 41052"] What does somebodies philosophy or politics have to do with a book about dragons or swords or spells? You are trying to punish people who don't agree with you. It's going to lead to less and less people being honest. This, to me, is yet another piece of a trend which is increasingly leading into an Emperor Has No Clothes situation. If the game does stagnate again it will be, in my opinion, due to the attitude of a lot of the fan base. It's already like "hear no evil, see no evil... or ELSE!!!" You know, after reading this thread, I'm glad I don't write D20 stuff any more. There are some really nice people in this genre, in the industry and just into this game, but there are also some really vile people, who make me frankly not want to waste my time writing material for. I'm not specifically referring to you ShinHakkaider, I don't know you... but I am really frustrated with some of the general attitude I encounter in places like this. I've always been someone who, while into other games, was open to D&D as well. D&D was my first love. I still remember my first lame character in Summer camp, an elf magic user with nothing but the lowly ability to cast "dancing lights", soon killed by orcs for struggling while captive. A truly magical moment to me. I'll really never forget that first game and the charge I felt. I won't forget many other games in high school, in the army, as a young adult later on. But it seems like since 3.X has come out, there is a nastyness which has crept in somehow, I've noticed it in gaming groups and I've noticed it bigtime online. Most people I know who play other games abhor D&D, specifically because of the fan base. I thought they were crazy, but I'm beginning to see some of that. Because even if it's a small proportion of players who are nasty like this, they seem to be gaining ground... gaining an influence on the overall culture of the game far beyond their small numbers, driving some people away while attracting more like themselves. Dialogue about the future if the game already seems to be effectively almost forbidden, discussion of any general aspect of D&D (as opposed to specific, like feats or spells) can really get you in hot water. Thats really crazy if you think about it. (It would be like going on a road trip where opening the map was forbidden, discussing the destination was forbidden....) (because trust me, you have a lot more influence in here than you think) Now you can add to that that if you are a writer, you better be doubly careful to keep your mouth shut. Your stuff can be boycotted or worse, companies who have been nice enough to print your work can end up receiving the blame. I know you have a lot of writers in this genre, a high percentage of players are wanna be writers at heart. You have quite a valuable resource of creativity in all those people. I just hope you don't burn it all out though in spite of that abundance, because you are alienating some of those folks at a very alarming rate. I know because I hear the same from a lot of other writers. Very few are as pugnacious as I am and therefore you are very unlikely to hear from them their true feelings on a lot of these matters. BD [/QUOTE]
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