Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
I did spend it in 2014. Why would I spend it again in 2024?
Nice dig on the First World.
Does anyone else think that 1D&D will create a significant divide in the community?
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Nice dig on the First World.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
The core of it, I'm confident, is where it's going to be. And I was referring to all three core books in physical form, the only form I would consider buying them in.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
On both sides, yes.
Warpiglet-7
Cry havoc! And let slip the pigs of war!
I have been prepared for this moment.
There is a special weirdness to not being “current” and watching it unfold.
I played 1e until 3e; 3e skipping 3.5 and really left D&D at until 5e emerged….imagine I am skipping another half edition again.
But won’t know for sure until I see it in print…
But I like 5e which begs the question…why switch if your group likes 5e
There is a special weirdness to not being “current” and watching it unfold.
I played 1e until 3e; 3e skipping 3.5 and really left D&D at until 5e emerged….imagine I am skipping another half edition again.
But won’t know for sure until I see it in print…
But I like 5e which begs the question…why switch if your group likes 5e
Based on opinions I've seen here and elsewhere, I think there's probably more like 900 sides...
UngeheuerLich
Legend
Exactly. No reason at all.
Why should they produce a book for us then?
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Because they want our money? Sorry if I won't give it to them unless they make product I think worth spending it on.
GMforPowergamers
Legend
that's the big issue... trying to box off people.
We see it all the time with every issue... if I for instance say that I want a more advanced and more thorough ground floor rewrite, I get told my opinion of a class doesn't matter since "I am not the customer base" but if I say I like a change (unifying subclasses, the rogue overall, the ardling) I get told it doesn't matter "I will but it any way"
The truth is much murkier... my group is very uncertain... we had (as a much larger group) mostly moved on from D&D3.5 by the end, and halfish of us came back for 4e... most of the ones that left for pathfinder came back for 5e, and that pushed a bunch (but not all) of us to update... now 5e is grating on us all in different ways, but we don't want to split 4e/pf again... so we are not sure what D&D will be. However as we have looked at the playtest somethings we liked some things we hated... very little we loved.
This is the first time I have heard about a D&D upgrade I wasn't excited about it... instead I am afraid of it mostly. I was a driving force to updatge 2e to 3e and 3e to 3.5 and to come back for 4e and to get the gang back togather with 5e... now 1d&D I can't be cheerleader for, and my group doesn't have one yet.
GMforPowergamers
Legend
I would think the goal is to get as many people as possible to buy the book... that I can help out a bit on... cause as the "money" guy I do get into some of the meetings about sales (not that they listen if I say anything)
You have to figure out how many of your current customers buying X (in this case splat D&D books and settings) and what you can and can't change that will keep the most of them. Then you have to figure what amount of new customers will come in. Then compair, if I put out more X I will count on so much sales, if I change X a little I will lose some customer but gain some and I project my sales will be higher or lower then if I change X a lot I am going to lose alot will i plan on gaining that alot back plus more?
there is a bit more too it, cost to change, expected normal growth, value of running 2 products togather to keep both old and new...
UngeheuerLich
Legend
What exactly do you want besides LevelUP?
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
I own a wide variety of third party product, and a lot of WotC 5e (I only stopped last year). If WotC made stuff I wanted, I would likely buy it and incorporate it into my Level Up game. That's why I'm paying attention to the playtest at all.
The OGL debacle kicked me in the pants to get started in earnest on my own RPG, which incidentally also lead me to DCC, which has not only been a huge inspiration to my own game but also a refreshing experience unto itself.
5E more than any other system up to that point merely represented the system that I had to homebrew the least to get to an acceptable state, and now between DCC and my own game I just can't be bothered with it at all anymore.
Still important to discuss it and engage it on an intellectual level, but I doubt I'll ever DM or play it again. And given how 1DND has gone so far Im not optimistic that Im going to find it even equal to what 5E was, much less better.
5E more than any other system up to that point merely represented the system that I had to homebrew the least to get to an acceptable state, and now between DCC and my own game I just can't be bothered with it at all anymore.
Still important to discuss it and engage it on an intellectual level, but I doubt I'll ever DM or play it again. And given how 1DND has gone so far Im not optimistic that Im going to find it even equal to what 5E was, much less better.
GMforPowergamers
Legend
I have a d12 system 3/4 written that I gave up on a couple years ago, I wish I had the guts to self publish and just go after it.
Fun times. Ive managed to stay motivated even through severe writers block at times because I managed to build up and more or less nail down the core of the game early when I was still in my honeymoon phase.
So now its just a matter of actually writing the game in full, and its made it a lot easier as I'm mostly not having to rewrite the core or figure out big mechanics anymore, though I've certainly identified a number of things as I go through the classes that'll have to be hashed out before I can proceed into the full playtest.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
And still I think, producing products you like will cost them more money than it brings them.
As much as I appreciate your likes, I think it is the wrong direction for the core game.
I also own the core LevelUP books and I really like them. But it is not what I want for OneD&D.
I would agree with you. I believe that multiple lore rich setting will balkanise the game to a certain extent that makes it a bad marketing strategy, no matter how much the fans of a given setting like that setting their purchases will not offset the losses from the people that will not buy because this book is Ebberon and not FR.
I notice that most third parties, that I am aware have one setting, if they have one at all.
This is one are where WoTC really needs the third parties and their support because across the third parties there can be a multiplicity of setting. Third parties are more stylistically distinct and for them that is a strength. It lets them stand out from the crowd.
This is why some of the complaints about setting content from WoTC being bland has merit. Their market is so large and diverse that a bolder product would be at risk of fragmenting their market. But white bread has its place, a lot of sandwiches start from white bread.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Sure, but when you used to have better variety of breads and now it's just white bread for purely financial reasons, it really hurts.
Basically, WotC just stopped making a good game IMO, when for nearly fifty years they or TSR did, more or less. Now they're holding hostage campaign settings that other creators could make good use of, for WotC profit, due to fear of the mob. And I hate it.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Why would you want Level Up AND OneD&D? How does that benefit you?
UngeheuerLich
Legend
Because I have a simpler and a more complex games besed on a ruleset I like. I will also buy OneD&D in german for my child and my students to play.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Ok. I don't get it personally, but ok. If I wanted a simpler game, I would (and have) played a non-D&D based game.
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