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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Incenjucar" data-source="post: 5774100" data-attributes="member: 6182">As a DM and a Player, I enjoyed the 4E PHBs. Fully realized, carefully-considered new classes are great. I always knew the books better than any of my most savvy players, so I never encountered any issues I couldn't smirk at and flatten.2E complete books were pretty awesome in their time, and I own almost all of them (none of the green ones <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> ), but they were of varying quality. The Elf one remains hilariously absurd. It's actually a very interesting way to introduce a class, too, and perhaps would have been a better way to introduce some of the classes that struggled for recognition during 4E, even those with good mechanics.I missed out on the 3E DMGs, but the 4E DMG2 was fantastic. I'd love to see more of that, perhaps as "Heroic DMG" "Paragon DMG" and "Epic DMG" instead of the numbering system, or whatever 5E's version of the divide will be.</blockquote>