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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Veltharis ap Rylix" data-source="post: 9175341" data-attributes="member: 66357">I did freely admit that it's been quite a while since I've gone through it - don't have cause to pull out my 4e books particularly frequently.Due respect, but my point has nothing to do with whether the word "slave" was used - it was a product from an era where they were more willing to touch upon the subject than they are now, so it's not surprising that they brought it forward to some degree. I'm not asking "Was it there?" I'm asking "Does its presence really matter as much as people say it does?"Because I don't feel that slavery is really all that important to the setting. There is nothing that I can think of that Dark Sun does with slaves that can't be done just as well without them. Make them prisoners from rival city-states, debtors, impoverished and undercompensated laborers. There are plenty of ways to portray the setting's pervasive tyranny and oppression without needing to resort to slavery, and claiming otherwise just seems to indicate a lack of imagination to me.The presence of slavery in Dark Sun has never bothered me, per se - though naturally, it's not about me - but if it's a blocker keeping Dark Sun from getting an update and seems (to my eyes) to be nothing more than a superfluous holdover from past editions that can be relatively easily done away with, then frankly, do away with it.There is far too much interesting and compelling in Dark Sun to let something like slavery be the thing that condemns it to the dustbin. If people really think slavery is integral to the setting, they can add it back in themselves - it's not hard. But I don't feel that the baseline setting really needs it.The Talent's on my list of things to pick up when I can - past several months have been rather tighter than I'm comfortable with.End of the day though, psionics is core to Dark Sun (far more than slavery is, in my opinion), and if they ever want to bring it into 5e in an official capacity, they need a first party solution - a core "psion" class, more psionic subclasses, feats, backgrounds, etc.</blockquote>

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