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<blockquote data-quote="Gaiden" data-source="post: 1810191" data-attributes="member: 103"><p><strong>Damn It!!!</strong></p><p></p><p>I think you are right. Each berry does damage individually so the way resistance works, it would be subtracted from each berry. </p><p></p><p>Let's see. At 122 dmg, each berry did an average of 15. That means 40 or so points of dmg from the spell instead of 122. I don't know if that would have killed the giant - and this is assuming that he only had FR 10. I was thinking he might have resistance closer to 30 meaning the spell would have done nothing to him.</p><p></p><p>DAMN IT, DAMN IT, DAMN IT. I thought we had beaten him fairly.</p><p></p><p>IDHMBWM to check what the resistance is for a half fiendish creature. I can tell you that this was definitely more than your average stone giant and I am assuming he was half fiendish because he pulled out a blasphemy and unholy blight. He merely laughed at our psion using energy current though when he was using the fire form. So I don't know what he had exactly.</p><p></p><p>Is there a way with Fire Seeds to make 1 berry instead of 8? Alternatively, can you detonate the acorn version?</p><p></p><p>Solid Snake - totally my bad - because this has never come up, do you want to make a ruling that damage in this way does stack as you suggested in terms of defeating fire resistance so long as the sources occur simultaneously? It might not be a bad ruling anyway?</p><p></p><p>So several flasks of alchemists fire to use the example we talked about if hitting the creature count as one larger attack.</p><p></p><p>AH HA,</p><p></p><p>There is actually something to argue for the contrary ruling where the damage would stack - namely the alchemist's fire. Let's compare two separate scenarios:</p><p></p><p>You have a volume of alchemist's fire equal to 10X where X is the amount normally in one flask. If you divided out the 10X volume into 10 separate flasks you could throw them each individually each doing 1d6 dmg. However, if you threw a giant flask with the volume of 10X, arguably, you would deal 10d6 since it is the same amount as the 10 individual just all at once. This would mean 10d6 with one attack rather than 1d6 10x. You could consider the berries to work in the same way since they all went off in the same square at the exact same time. If the had been separated or went off at different times, splitting them up would make sense. But they all off at the exact same time which might argue for the 10X scenario.</p><p></p><p>There are a few things to this - they did not all occupy the exact same point in space so technically it is a bit different than the alchemist's fire example.</p><p></p><p>Another point is that I think alchemist's fire is actually specifically detailed for this scenario where one uses a larger quantity and IIRC the effects do not stack but scale in a similar way to weapon damage scaling as you increase the size of a weapon.</p><p></p><p>I am grasping at threads to come up with a possible ruling that would have made what my cleric did legitimate.</p><p></p><p>Solid Snake, I suppose we could just house rule the spell as well - just say that as with the acorn, allow you to make however many berries you want with a total damage of 8d8+(8*level) in dmg with multiples of 1d8+level required divided up among the berries however you see fit meaning that the maximum you could get would be 8. Really this change would only affect FR. Other than that, you could just place multiple berries in one location to get the same effect.</p><p></p><p>Ahhhhhh, sorry man about the misruling.</p><p></p><p>Patryn of Elvenshae, thanks for the rapid replies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gaiden, post: 1810191, member: 103"] [b]Damn It!!![/b] I think you are right. Each berry does damage individually so the way resistance works, it would be subtracted from each berry. Let's see. At 122 dmg, each berry did an average of 15. That means 40 or so points of dmg from the spell instead of 122. I don't know if that would have killed the giant - and this is assuming that he only had FR 10. I was thinking he might have resistance closer to 30 meaning the spell would have done nothing to him. DAMN IT, DAMN IT, DAMN IT. I thought we had beaten him fairly. IDHMBWM to check what the resistance is for a half fiendish creature. I can tell you that this was definitely more than your average stone giant and I am assuming he was half fiendish because he pulled out a blasphemy and unholy blight. He merely laughed at our psion using energy current though when he was using the fire form. So I don't know what he had exactly. Is there a way with Fire Seeds to make 1 berry instead of 8? Alternatively, can you detonate the acorn version? Solid Snake - totally my bad - because this has never come up, do you want to make a ruling that damage in this way does stack as you suggested in terms of defeating fire resistance so long as the sources occur simultaneously? It might not be a bad ruling anyway? So several flasks of alchemists fire to use the example we talked about if hitting the creature count as one larger attack. AH HA, There is actually something to argue for the contrary ruling where the damage would stack - namely the alchemist's fire. Let's compare two separate scenarios: You have a volume of alchemist's fire equal to 10X where X is the amount normally in one flask. If you divided out the 10X volume into 10 separate flasks you could throw them each individually each doing 1d6 dmg. However, if you threw a giant flask with the volume of 10X, arguably, you would deal 10d6 since it is the same amount as the 10 individual just all at once. This would mean 10d6 with one attack rather than 1d6 10x. You could consider the berries to work in the same way since they all went off in the same square at the exact same time. If the had been separated or went off at different times, splitting them up would make sense. But they all off at the exact same time which might argue for the 10X scenario. There are a few things to this - they did not all occupy the exact same point in space so technically it is a bit different than the alchemist's fire example. Another point is that I think alchemist's fire is actually specifically detailed for this scenario where one uses a larger quantity and IIRC the effects do not stack but scale in a similar way to weapon damage scaling as you increase the size of a weapon. I am grasping at threads to come up with a possible ruling that would have made what my cleric did legitimate. Solid Snake, I suppose we could just house rule the spell as well - just say that as with the acorn, allow you to make however many berries you want with a total damage of 8d8+(8*level) in dmg with multiples of 1d8+level required divided up among the berries however you see fit meaning that the maximum you could get would be 8. Really this change would only affect FR. Other than that, you could just place multiple berries in one location to get the same effect. Ahhhhhh, sorry man about the misruling. Patryn of Elvenshae, thanks for the rapid replies. [/QUOTE]
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