General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[Belen]

You’re right. Sabine is Force-sensitive but the others aren’t, necessarily. IIRC it was Sabine wielding the darksaber that alerted Ahsoka that she had Force potential.

Sabine only conveniently became force sensitive for the live action show. Otherwise, Kanan would have brought it up.

 

[Olgar Shiverstone]

Just lent the rest of my 7 volumes of the Dark Horse "A long time ago..." reprints of the original Marvel run to a dad/son pair who are huge Star Wars fans. They've seen all the movies and shows and read the novels, but had never heard of the original comic series. (I first saw some of the Marvel comics when they came out when I was six - the dad in question wasn't born until a few years after Return of the Jedi came out).

When they're done with that it will be the Return of the Jedi reprints and the three volumes of the Classic Star Wars reprints of the newspaper strip.

You'll have to let us know what they think of Jaxxon.

 

[jian]

Sabine only conveniently became force sensitive for the live action show. Otherwise, Kanan would have brought it up.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true - given everything else that was going on (and Sabine’s massive guilt and self-dislike issues at the time) I don’t think he’d have considered mentioning it or training her a priority, or even a good idea.

 

[Whisper-Kitten]

But you can operate a lightsaber without using the force. You don't interact with the crystal, it's just a button.

That's what my friend said when he pressed the button, while working on a car. Of course then the police showed up, and then didn't say anything.

 

[Deset Gled]

Force sensitivity is a spectrum, not a binary. Sabine, Mando, Omega etc have average-living-thing Force sensitivity, clones are low, and Jedi are selected from the above average.

FWIW, in the legacy EU characters were explicitly considered either Force Sensitive or not Force Sensitive, as a binary thing. Luke even developed a specific test for it that gave a yes/no result when he was searching for students.

The movies never really address whether it's a spectrum or not. We know midiclorians are a measure of force potential, but we don't get enough info to know if non-force sensitive folks have low midiclorianncount, or zero. So I don't think canon is really clear right now.

 

[MarkB]

Yes, of course, but terms like Force-sensitive or high Force potential are used to basically mean “sensitive enough to be worth training as a Jedi… or a Sith”.

Yeah, but Kanan's dialogue to Sabine during her training makes it clear that he doesn't think she needs to be particularly force sensitive to wield the darksaber.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Sabine only conveniently became force sensitive for the live action show.

No she didn't. They retconned it so that you don't have to be a special "force sensitive" to learn to use the Force.

The movies never really address whether it's a spectrum or not.

The original movie suggests a spectrum: "the Force is strong in this one". Vader isn't surprised that the rebel pilot has the force, just that it's more powerful than normal. The binary idea, with its force muggles, comes from the legends EU (and certain class based RPGs).

Most people can learn to play a sport, but only a few people have what it takes to be a professional.

 

[pukunui]

There was also that Clone Wars episode where Ahsoka’s lightsaber got stolen by that jumping alien. She didn’t appear to know how to use the Force but she could use Ahsoka’s lightsaber.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

While it’s never been stated outright that you need the Force to wield a lightsaber, we have at least two counter-examples - Han using it to cut the tauntaun open, and Finn wielding it in a fight.

I am not saying you need it to wield the light saber, I am saying you need to wield a lightsaber do the fancy stuff Jedi do - and that's pretty evident, non-Jedi are not expected to deflect blaster bolts with a light saber. (Exceptions presumably heavily enhanced Cyborg like Grivious, but they presumably won't change the color of light sabers).

 

[Kaodi]

Put me firmly in the camp that thinks it is better for lightsaber colour to be, at core, an aesthetic rather than a product of being a "good guy" or a "bad guy" . Like, we know that how Jedi traditionally found their khyber crystals is kind of Force-magicky. But even then it should have come with a side of "you can intuit what colour a khyber crystal will produce before you use it" leading to people avoiding red crystals rather than red crystals themselves being "evil" somehow.

Anyway - I thought Finn's generation of Stormtroopers were supposed to have been given a crash course in anti-lightsaber combat. They were, by definition, expendable so it would not have been surprising that their safety when using an extremely self-dangerous weapon was not high on the priority list. Presumably some foolish or inattentive trainees would have bisected themselves, but Finn one of the properly careful ones.