General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[Reynard]

There's been a sideline of kid-friendly Star Wars stuff since the beginning. I think the problem is when the rights-owners try to turn the mainstream films into that, rather than keeping them as an adjunct.

Which is to say, the Ewok movies are fine, just like Droids was fine and the IDW kids Star Wars comics are fine, etc.

We just don't need any more main films making us care about elementary-age protagonists podracing. That would have been a good thing to stick into a kid-friendly animated series that came out to support a more adult Episode 1.

I wont say TLJ is good (it isnt) but that final duel was dope AF. It felt SW to me, which most of the film didnt.

I know opinions vary and TLJ is contentious, but I legitimately think it is the WORST Star Wars movie. Yes, even worse than Clone Attack of "I Hate Sand!" the Clones Wars. Giving different creators a crack at Star Wars can be good, amazing even -- see Andor -- but letting Rian Johnson follow JJ Abrams was like an active attack on the sequel trilogy, essentially dooming it to failure. Johnson had no respect for the source material. The Rise of Skywalker is almost as bad, because he [ETA: Abrams] had no respect for the audience.

Anyway, I don't want to reignite an old debate, and I fully accept that other people feel differently, but for me -- hoo boy, it's like suffering through Dawn of Justice all over again.

 

[Zardnaar]

Starfighter has even less appeal than cute Grogu. It won’t be enough for M&G to be just ok and hope Gosling brings people in - because big name stars mean nothing to the 10 year old kids that the franchise desperately needs.

Long term yes. Short term they need a hot to restore positive buzz.

They've been doing well post Acolyte eith live action and animation.

I suspect new movie eill be fun, box office isnt looking great though.

 

[Zardnaar]

I know opinions vary and TLJ is contentious, but I legitimately think it is the WORST Star Wars movie. Yes, even worse than Clone "I Hate Sand!" Wars. Giving different creators a crack at Star Wars can be good, amazing even -- see Andor -- but letting Rian Johnson follow JJ Abrams was like an active attack on the sequel trilogy, essentially dooming it to failure. Johnson had no respect for the source material. The Rise of Skywalker is almost as bad, because he [ETA: Abrams] had no respect for the audience.

Anyway, I don't want to reignite an old debate, and I fully accept that other people feel differently, but for me -- hoo boy, it's like suffering through Dawn of Justice all over again.

TLJ is over rated. Its kinda OK by itself but its a very poor sequel. Painted them into a corner.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Long term yes. Short term they need a hot to restore positive buzz.

Which Grogu stands a better chance of generating than Gosling.

They've been doing well post Acolyte eith live action and animation.

Which is kind of irrelevant, since Disney+ doesn’t have enough market penetration for its shows to have significant cultural influence.

 

[Gradine]

You know what, I'm refusing to allow negativity on May the Fourth. Boo to that. Your task: say something genuinely good about every movie in the franchise. No copouts!:

A New Hope: Princess Leia is a truly incredible and groundbreaking character.
Empire Strikes Back: The Battle for Hoth is I think extremely underappreciated
Return of the Jedi: Has the best space battle in the entire series, hands down.
The Phantom Menace: Duel of the Fates is an absolute banger and the accompanying lightsaber duel rips
Attack of the Clones: Obi-Wan and Dexter Jettster is the one time George Lucas successfully made a real human and CGI character look believable and lively together and that doesn't get appreciated enough
Revenge of the Sith: "This is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause" as a line goes incredibly hard
The Force Awakens: BB-8 is a fantastic addition to the stable of neurotic Star Wars droids and is consistently delightful
The Last Jedi: The boy with the broom is an absolutely iconic image and really sold the message that the Force was truly for everyone
The Rise of Skywalker: The astral projection lightsaber duel between Rey and Kylo Ren was truly excellent because of how visceral and physical it felt
The Clone Wars: Ahsoka is such a fantastic character and a lot of that is present even here
Rogue One: The third act of this movie gave us something we see way too little of in this series: an actual Star War.
Solo: Donald Glover makes an absolutely incredible Lando Calrissian, and the sort of twist at with the redhead taking off their helmet was a genuinely solid plot turn

Edit: Added in The Clone Wars

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Starfighter has even less appeal than cute Grogu. It won’t be enough for M&G to be just ok and hope Gosling brings people in - because big name stars mean nothing to the 10 year old kids that the franchise desperately needs.

If Star Wars can't make spaceship dogfights exciting enough to bring in the kids, they should basically fold up shop.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I know TFA gets poo-pooed a lot, and I've never dug in deep into the creation of the movie, but it feels very strongly that someone wrote down all of the Star Wars tropes, boiled them down to their essence and built up from there. So we get BB-8 who, for my money, out does R2-D2 in his R2-D2ness, which is a hell of a trick.

The movie has its flaws, but boy, it does a great job with the archetypes, including giving us the first charismatic hotshot fighter pilot on the big screen.

 

[Reynard]

You know what, I'm refusing to allow negativity on May the Fourth. Boo to that. Your task: say something genuinely good about every movie in the franchise. No copouts!:

A New Hope: Princess Leia is a truly incredible and groundbreaking character.
Empire Strikes Back: The Battle for Hoth is I think extremely underappreciated
Return of the Jedi: Has the best space battle in the entire series, hands down.
The Phantom Menace: Duel of the Fates is an absolute banger and the accompanying lightsaber duel rips
Attack of the Clones: Obi-Wan and Dexter Jettster is the one time George Lucas successfully made a real human and CGI character look believable and lively and that doesn't get appreciated enough
Revenge of the Sith: "This is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause" as a line goes incredibly hard
The Force Awakens: BB-8 is a fantastic addition to the stable of neurotic Star Wars droids and is consistently delightful
The Last Jedi: The boy with the broom is an absolutely iconic image and really sold the message that the Force was truly for everyone
The Rise of Skywalker: The astral projection lightsaber duel between Rey and Kylo Ren was truly excellent because of how visceral and physical it felt
The Clone Wars: Ahsoka is such a fantastic character and a lot of that is present even here
Rogue One: The third act of this movie gave us something we see way too little of in this series: an actual Star War.
Solo: Donald Glover makes an absolutely incredible Lando Calrissian, and the sort of twist at with the redhead taking off their helmet was a genuinely solid plot turn

Edit: Added in The Clone Wars

All of this is spot on, except I don't think I have ever heard "Hoth is underappreciated" before. Isn't it often considered one ofthe coolest sequences in the entire OT?

 

[Reynard]

Positivity:

Obi Wan: This series only needed a higher budget and it could have been on of the best things in the entire canon.
The Acolyte: This was a good start to what could have been a great new era; it had so much promise.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

If Star Wars can't make spaceship dogfights exciting enough to bring in the kids, they should basically fold up shop.

From what we know, there are more spaceship dogfights in Grogu than Gosling, which seems to feature messing about in boats.

The “starfighter” referred to in the title appears to be Gosling’s washed up veteran pilot, given a chance of redemption by protecting a kid. It’s not a spaceship.

But the kids have all been in lots of spaceship dogfights via video games. I doubt it will be ever be exciting enough to grab them the way it was in 1977.