General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Misleading statistics. Older people are far less likely to go to the cinema. People simply age out of the market for going out. If you look at all the recent commercially successful movies they have all targeted young audiences, especially pre-teens.

I don't know if misleading is the correct term to use her: I use the statistic to point out that the number of people in the younger age categories isn't as large as it would be with a different demographic composition we had decades earlier, and this causes a problem - the age category of young audiences isn't growing over time, so even if you catch them early in hopes for getting them to be long-term fans - your audience is not going to grow.

 

[jian]

I don't know if misleading is the correct term to use her: I use the statistic to point out that the number of people in the younger age categories isn't as large as it would be with a different demographic composition we had decades earlier, and this causes a problem - the age category of young audiences isn't growing over time, so even if you catch them early in hopes for getting them to be long-term fans - your audience is not going to grow.

This all reminds me of the reviews of The Devil Wears Prada* 2, which often noted that not only was the audience for this film (and most films) shrinking, so was the audience for the subject matter - as with Vogue, Runway (the fictional fashion magazine based on Vogue) has a shrinking readership, even online, as nobody cares about the traditional fashion industry any more, at least in such numbers as they once did.

*Autocorrected initially to The Devil Wears Pravda, which would be a very different book and film.

 

[Desdichado]

You know what, I'm refusing to allow negativity on May the Fourth. Boo to that. Your task: say something genuinely good about every movie in the franchise. No copouts!:

Fair enough.

A New Hope: In many ways, still the best one. I've loved this movie since it was new and I was five.

Empire Strikes Back: Not sure if it's the best or not, but it's clearly my favorite. Everything was pretty much stepped up from an already brilliant beginning. It still looks good even today.

Return of the Jedi: Has some cool moments. The Jabba stuff is interesting. The space battle is fantastic. Slave girl Leia.

The Phantom Menace: It's a shame that Lucas didn't realize how great and compelling a character Maul was, so he killed him and had to bring him back with dubious handwavy methods. Maul is the best thing to come out of the whole prequel trilogy.

Attack of the Clones: Star Wars had been notably missing a classic sword & planet style gladiator thing. Plus, Geonosis looks like Mars. The whole last act felt like a love letter to Barsoom to me.

Revenge of the Sith: There was some cool visual design. Mustafar in particular is a great looking planet.

The Force Awakens: Again, can't fault the visual design. This looked really cool.

The Last Jedi: The salt planet at the end was a cool visual. Trying to keep it positive if repetitive for the sequel trilogy...

The Rise of Skywalker: I really like Exogol. I'd like to see that brought back and fleshed out more. In general, there's a whole of Sith cult stuff that's just hinted at here that I'd love to see developed more.

The Clone Wars: It's a pretty fun start to a great series. In retrospect, some of the other arcs within the series are considerably better than this ended up being, but y'know. You've got to start somewhere and this was well done.

Rogue One: Different tone, good action.

Solo: In spite of my continued dubiousness that this was even a good idea to do, this movie is quite underrated.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

the age category of young audiences isn't growing over time

That depends on the country, but in many western countries the potential cinema going audience is shrinking. But that doesn’t change the fact that that any movie franchise needs to continuously recruit young fans to replace those who age out of going out.

 

[Zardnaar]

That depends on the country, but in many western countries the potential cinema going audience is shrinking. But that doesn’t change the fact that that any movie franchise needs to continuously recruit young fans to replace those who age out of going out.

Your argument has some merit but a lot of these "modern audience" movies fail to capture the older demographics and the younger demographics. And you have a flop losing $100 million or whatever.

They end up appealing to no one.

Theres a few movies that have been marked as probable flops this year and a couple have * beside them as well. Thats regardless of quality, critical reception etc.

 

[Zaukrie]

I found Solo fun, if not always good cinema.

 

[Deset Gled]

I found Solo fun, if not always good cinema.

IMNSHO, the only problem with Solo was that it starred Han Solo (and Chewie). Make it a heist movie in the Star Wars universe about some randos we've never met before and it is pretty much perfect. It's a super fun romp. You could probably even keep Lando with just a little bit of work.

But Han Solo unintentionally helping to start the Rebellion while staying one step ahead of Darth Maul? Along with that hopeless romantic and loveable loser backstory? Not to mention the Glup Shitto style name origin? GTFO.

 

[timbannock]

I found Solo fun, if not always good cinema.

Solo (except for the Kessel Run sequence) and Skeleton Crew were some of my favorite things in the Disney era. Like I get the whole thing about The Mandalorian, but Solo and SC are IMO even more consistently fun (if not "better" for a lot of reasons).

If they can learn to rein in budgets without making things look like CGI trash -- something countless movies prove can be done on much, much smaller budgets -- then I think Star Wars can really build up a more consistent track record by going with these sorts of smaller-stakes, fun stories. Or, said poorly: "Star Wars stuff can be about the battles, rather than the wars, for a little while."

 

[MarkB]

IMNSHO, the only problem with Solo was that it starred Han Solo (and Chewie). Make it a heist movie in the Star Wars universe about some randos we've never met before and it is pretty much perfect. It's a super fun romp. You could probably even keep Lando with just a little bit of work.

But Han Solo unintentionally helping to start the Rebellion while staying one step ahead of Darth Maul? Along with that hopeless romantic and loveable loser backstory? Not to mention the Glup Shitto style name origin? GTFO.

Also, the whole "hit every single bit of backstory we've ever heard about this character all in one story" aspect. Pace yourselves, show a little restraint, maybe you'll manage to get a sequel or two.

 

[Zaukrie]

Also, the whole "hit every single bit of backstory we've ever heard about this character all in one story" aspect. Pace yourselves, show a little restraint, maybe you'll manage to get a sequel or two.

That was silly for sure