General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[Zardnaar]

I found Solo fun, if not always good cinema.

Solo was fine. I'm expecting mando movie to be similar or bit better. Early views have been positive.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Your argument has some merit but a lot of these "modern audience" movies fail to capture the older demographics and the younger demographics

There is no significant “older demographic”. Older people don’t go to the cinema often enough to matter.

It's all about replacement. It's pointless to replace an older person who drops out with another older person. You need to replace them with someone who will give you another 30 years of being a fan.

 

[Zardnaar]

There is no significant “older demographic”. Older people don’t go to the cinema often enough to matter.

It's all about replacement. It's pointless to replace an older person who drops out with another older person. You need to replace them with someone who will give you another 30 years of being a fan.

Well your opinion is outright wrong there.

Movies are broken into 4 quadrants. Basically old/young and male/female.

If you have a 200 million movie you kinda need to hit multiple quidrants.

In video games the young ones aren't spending on full priced games. Apparently theyre waiting for sales en masse.

The movies doing really well atre ones 20-30 years old with crossover on 4 quadrant.

Videogame movies on established IP (Generally Gen X IP, Mario, Sonic, hell Mortal Kombat) seem to be the new hotness. Horrors doing comparatively well (cheap, R18).

 

[jian]

Well your opinion is outright wrong there.

Movies are broken into 4 quadrants. Basically old/young and male/female.

If you have a 200 million movie you kinda need to hit multiple quidrants.

In video games the young ones aren't spending on full priced games. Apparently theyre waiting for sales en masse.

The movies doing really well atre ones 20-30 years old with crossover on 4 quadrant.

Videogame movies on established IP (Generally Gen X IP, Mario, Sonic, hell Mortal Kombat) seem to be the new hotness. Horrors doing comparatively well (cheap, R18).

In the U.K., 63% of people aged 55+ saw a film at the cinema in 2019; this number has slightly increased over the previous decades. They went to the cinema about 5 times a year on average. So assuming that hasn’t changed much (maybe it did with Covid? The numbers from 2019 in the US are pretty similar to 2024) then older people are a pretty decent chunk of the audience, mostly in the week.

 

[Zardnaar]

In the U.K., 63% of people aged 55+ saw a film at the cinema in 2019; this number has slightly increased over the previous decades. They went to the cinema about 5 times a year on average. So assuming that hasn’t changed much (maybe it did with Covid? The numbers from 2019 in the US are pretty similar to 2024) then older people are a pretty decent chunk of the audience, mostly in the week.

Yeah cant discount them.

Big movies these days hit 3 or 4 quadrant.

1 or 2 better have a reasonably small budget.

Basically you have to types of movies now. Chesp niche ones and blockbuster. The mod range movies are dead or streaming.

A "moderate" budget these days is 80-100 million high chance of animated.

Compare to 1980s with wide variety of budgets and inflation adjusted 30 (close to 100 million now) odd million was big budget.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

The movies doing really well atre ones 20-30 years old with crossover on 4 quadrant.

Sure, younger folk who can give you another 30 years of being fans.

Of course, a franchise movie is very different from a one-and-done movie, which doesn't have to consider the audience for the next movie, and the one after that. They are free to target older audiences (e.g. Oppenheimer) but will generally need to be lower budget as they are not cash cows to be milked for the foreseeable future.

But a major factor in play at the moment is that if you target younger children (Minecraft, Mario), they can't go to the cinema on their own. The parents have to buy tickets irrespective of if they want to see the movie or not, so you are selling maybe three times the number of tickets.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sure, younger folk who can give you another 30 years of being fans.

Of course, a franchise movie is very different from a one-and-done movie, which doesn't have to consider the audience for the next movie. They are free to target older audiences (e.g. Oppenheimer) but will generally need to be lower budget as they are not cash cows.

But a major factor in play at the moment is that if you target younger children (Minecraft, Mario), they can't go to the cinema on their own. The parents have to buy tickets irrespective of if they want to see the movie or not, so you are selling maybe three times the number of tickets.

Aware. Video game IP animated movies with crossover appeal (to get older viewers) seem to be hot.

This year's looking god for theaters at least studios maybe not. Be interesting to see results for Mando, Mortal Kombat II, Supergirl, Odyssey,Dune 3 and Avengers: Doomsday.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

maybe it did with Covid?

Covid has had a massive impact.

Also, a lot of cinemas have closed, so you have to travel further, the cost of eating out has increased massively, and disposable income has been squeezed.

Pretty much everyone I know my generation would rather wait to see the film on streaming.

If you aren't dating or don't have children to entertain you don't go to the cinema.

 

[chuckdee]

IMNSHO, the only problem with Solo was that it starred Han Solo (and Chewie). Make it a heist movie in the Star Wars universe about some randos we've never met before and it is pretty much perfect. It's a super fun romp. You could probably even keep Lando with just a little bit of work.

But Han Solo unintentionally helping to start the Rebellion while staying one step ahead of Darth Maul? Along with that hopeless romantic and loveable loser backstory? Not to mention the Glup Shitto style name origin? GTFO.

I don't even think that was the problem. The problem was that they tried to fan service and describe every little bit about what made Han, Han. Even down to his blaster. Some things just don't need to be explained. Those bits could have been replaced by more fleshing out of him as a character instead of just bits.

 

[Vael]

I don't even think that was the problem. The problem was that they tried to fan service and describe every little bit about what made Han, Han. Even down to his blaster. Some things just don't need to be explained. Those bits could have been replaced by more fleshing out of him as a character instead of just bits.

This. Solo read as part "Fill in the Wookieepedia article" and it suuuucked. Partly how it was also so artless about it ... "No family ... you shall be Han SOLO" and "That's too long, I'm calling you Chewie" was all so obvious and annoying. There's stuff to like about Solo, but I haven't rewatched it because these bits are like sand, they're coarse and irritating and get everywhere.