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<blockquote data-quote="stevelabny" data-source="post: 2740961" data-attributes="member: 9298"><p>Um, dude... thats the point. It FAILED at what it was trying to do, therefore its bad. (and in my opinion, one of the worst ever)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>this is a fine line to walk when writing a book, and in my opinion she failed on every count.</p><p>They hyped the death before the book came out, trumpeting it to anyone who would listen, setting it up to be a bigger moment than they delivered.</p><p>Then Sirius falls into a curtain. A curtain????? Curtains don't kill!</p><p>Harry (and more importantly THE READERS) say "it was just a curtain, they can get him back" and "1st rule of movies, no body, no death".</p><p>But then the other characters in the book (and JK in interviews) keep insisting he's really dead. Harry eventually accepts their word because he trusts Dumbledore and the others. As an impartial observer, I don't belief any of these older wizards. Why should I believe that Sirius is dead?</p><p></p><p>In real life, or in a fictional story thats trying to go for "sometimes death happens quickly and unexpectedly and without reason or a cool moment" there is ALWAYS a body. there HAS TO BE a body for that to work. Without a body, and especially when magic is involved, the readers will never believe the moment.</p><p></p><p>So Harry wound up with his closure, but the readers never got theirs.</p><p></p><p>First the scene itself is spoiled because you have no idea what happened to Sirius, and then it is never explained well enough to actually be believable.</p><p></p><p>The fifth book painted angry Harry so well early on, and failed on so many levels after that.</p><p></p><p>Of course, turning it into a movie might actually HELP the fifth book, as you should be able to keep some important character stuff early, and have a big made-for-film battle at the end, and it might actually be possible to make the curtain scary, or the death REAL (for example, if Sirius' skin melts off his bones as he tumbles through)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevelabny, post: 2740961, member: 9298"] Um, dude... thats the point. It FAILED at what it was trying to do, therefore its bad. (and in my opinion, one of the worst ever) this is a fine line to walk when writing a book, and in my opinion she failed on every count. They hyped the death before the book came out, trumpeting it to anyone who would listen, setting it up to be a bigger moment than they delivered. Then Sirius falls into a curtain. A curtain????? Curtains don't kill! Harry (and more importantly THE READERS) say "it was just a curtain, they can get him back" and "1st rule of movies, no body, no death". But then the other characters in the book (and JK in interviews) keep insisting he's really dead. Harry eventually accepts their word because he trusts Dumbledore and the others. As an impartial observer, I don't belief any of these older wizards. Why should I believe that Sirius is dead? In real life, or in a fictional story thats trying to go for "sometimes death happens quickly and unexpectedly and without reason or a cool moment" there is ALWAYS a body. there HAS TO BE a body for that to work. Without a body, and especially when magic is involved, the readers will never believe the moment. So Harry wound up with his closure, but the readers never got theirs. First the scene itself is spoiled because you have no idea what happened to Sirius, and then it is never explained well enough to actually be believable. The fifth book painted angry Harry so well early on, and failed on so many levels after that. Of course, turning it into a movie might actually HELP the fifth book, as you should be able to keep some important character stuff early, and have a big made-for-film battle at the end, and it might actually be possible to make the curtain scary, or the death REAL (for example, if Sirius' skin melts off his bones as he tumbles through) [/QUOTE]
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