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Message: <blockquote data-quote="countgray" data-source="post: 2898209" data-attributes="member: 18338">Just slap on some class levels!I kind of like your idea.  Although, I also like the sense of history and textured story that demon  princes with detailed backgrounds impart to the game.Then again, I really have no issue with demon lords being physically weak, or at least on par with their underlings.  After all, Hitler was not particularly strong or physically imposing.  Any one of his soldiers could probably have taken him.  But they didn't.Sheer force of personality, far more than any personal might one may have, has got to have contributed heavily to any demon prince's rise.   Anyway, I also figure after a few decades, centuries or milennia they would have to have some class levels to augment their physical stats.I don't see why you couldn't start with some basic physical stats of around CR 20 and then slap on enough fighter, thief, barbarian, wizard, cleric levels and PRC's as appropriate to reflect the wisdom and experience they have acquired in all that time clawing their way up the ladder, tooth and nail and tentacle.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>