How do population distribution patterns of Supers with different strength level affect their internal power relations?

[Deset Gled]

Violence is not everything, but it is the most serious and life-and-death matter in the entire human history. when a group of well-organized and armed gangsters storms into your home and do whatever they want, you can try to persuade them with peaceful mean and see what happens.

Are you talking about your fantasy super hero world, or are you talking about the real world?

If you're talking about your fantasy, then I'll go back to my previous discussion. If we fully embrace the ickyness of this world, then we have to start considering lots of problems you haven't even considered, like asymmetrical warfare, protecting non-super populations, resource guarding, and many other factors. The real question isn't who a Level 1 can defeat, it's what a Level 1 super can defend.

If you're talking about the real world, you're patently incorrect. The most serious life and death matter across recorded history is disease. Up until the last century, infectious disease was the #1 threat to humanity; more recently, cardiovascular disease and cancer have sifted to the top. Beyond that, violence for the sake of violence isn't even a leading cause of war. And even when territorial disputes or resource issues are the cause of war, it's very, very different than just gangsters breaking into your house.

 

[jian]

Are you talking about your fantasy super hero world, or are you talking about the real world?

If you're talking about your fantasy, then I'll go back to my previous discussion. If we fully embrace the ickyness of this world, then we have to start considering lots of problems you haven't even considered, like asymmetrical warfare, protecting non-super populations, resource guarding, and many other factors. The real question isn't who a Level 1 can defeat, it's what a Level 1 super can defend.

If you're talking about the real world, you're patently incorrect. The most serious life and death matter across recorded history is disease. Up until the last century, infectious disease was the #1 threat to humanity; more recently, cardiovascular disease and cancer have sifted to the top. Beyond that, violence for the sake of violence isn't even a leading cause of war. And even when territorial disputes or resource issues are the cause of war, it's very, very different than just gangsters breaking into your house.

Yes, definitely agree with both.

This whole proposition reminds me of the (mostly defunct) Uber comics series by Kieron Gillen, so much so that I wonder whether the OP was inspired by it. In Uber (sorry, can't add the necessary umlaut), the idea is that Nazi Germany in WW2 develops the ability to create superhumans. These ubermenschen are quite limited in their powers by superhero comics standards - they can only have strength + invulnerability and/or energy blasts ("the halo effect"), and you can only give a certain amount of either or both to one individual. The other nations soon steal the technology and the arms race is on.

Uber is pretty much unremittingly grim and horrible, sometimes in quite unnecessary ways (for instance, it turns out that if you give one person as much strength + invulnerability as possible, they're not quite tough enough relative to their strength and basically blow out both their knees when they try to run).

And one thing is clear - even though the Ubers aren't all THAT powerful, the arms race is leading to the extinction of humanity. Ubers are unstoppable weapons - as powerful as a battleship but much, much harder to hit - and they can't defend anything worth a damn, so what you're mostly getting is out-of-control mass destruction and carnage, progressing much faster than anyone is prepared for. If you're Adolf, you're fine with this because you're insane and totally on board with Gotterdammerung and the end of the world; but everyone else is going to lose as well, inheriting a ruined world.

 

[Stalker0]

So I ascribe to the "Magneto is right" theory in general when it comes to powered individuals. There is no way states and governments will not do everything they can to control and/or eliminate them.

So any "super organization" is going to fall in one of two camps.

1) Total Neutrality: They don't work for any state, and we just generally help the world. A super peace corp if you will. But of course there will be constant scrutiny, controls, and obviously shadow attempts to get them to work for one side or another. Likely the UN would want oversight over them.

2) State sponsored: These are heroes that work for the state. Now it could be federal or state level (most likely federal), but effectively these supes flex their powers at the behest of a government.


That's pretty much it. If a super organization tried to assert their own authority or dominance...they would get wiped out. The powers noted here are simply not enough to take on modern militaries once those militaries went full fury. A great cinematic example of this is Underworld 3 I believe. It showcased how the masquerade is so important to Vampire society, as powerful as they are...the second humanity as a whole learns about vampires, they beginning systematically annihilating them. And its not even close. You have the power of a battalion....cool.....yeah I got 1000s of those. My forces are utterly replaceable, I take you out, the super organization is permanently weakened, etc.

 

[Kaodi]

The power level of these "supers" seems almost inconsequential to the Batman paradigm: "What's your superpower?" "I'm rich." Like on the wealth scale the richest people on Earth are millions or billions times stronger than the weakest.

 

[Anonym]

So I ascribe to the "Magneto is right" theory in general when it comes to powered individuals. There is no way states and governments will not do everything they can to control and/or eliminate them.

So any "super organization" is going to fall in one of two camps.

1) Total Neutrality: They don't work for any state, and we just generally help the world. A super peace corp if you will. But of course there will be constant scrutiny, controls, and obviously shadow attempts to get them to work for one side or another. Likely the UN would want oversight over them.

2) State sponsored: These are heroes that work for the state. Now it could be federal or state level (most likely federal), but effectively these supes flex their powers at the behest of a government.


That's pretty much it. If a super organization tried to assert their own authority or dominance...they would get wiped out. The powers noted here are simply not enough to take on modern militaries once those militaries went full fury. A great cinematic example of this is Underworld 3 I believe. It showcased how the masquerade is so important to Vampire society, as powerful as they are...the second humanity as a whole learns about vampires, they beginning systematically annihilating them. And its not even close. You have the power of a battalion....cool.....yeah I got 1000s of those. My forces are utterly replaceable, I take you out, the super organization is permanently weakened, etc.

But how can you prevent those who have the authority to give orders to the army from being killed or afraid to wage a full-scale showdown with the Supers?in such a war, these big shoots cannot hide in a safe bunkers and letting the cannon fodders risk their lives on the front line, unless they have another batch of Supers protect them————but how to prevent these Supers from attempting to take power?

The destructive power of the Supers cannot match the army, but that doesnt mean they unable to fight. they just need to take off their uniforms and blend into the crowd and start a terrifying guerrilla warfare.they don't need any weapons and look no different from ordinary people.

 

[Stalker0]

The destructive power of the Supers cannot match the army, but that doesnt mean they unable to fight. they just need to take off their uniforms and blend into the crowd and start a terrifying guerrilla warfare.they don't need any weapons and look no different from ordinary people.

I guess what period of time are we talking about. Modern Day?

So first thing is every single super would have full bio metrics, every intelligence agency on the planet would catalog every single thing about their lives. The idea of "hiding" from the governments of the world under such conditions is simply unfeasible....unelss their power was in fact concealment. So I could believe a couple of supes could evade detection through such powers ,but most would not.

Now you are correct that guerrila warfare is the right way for such a force to approach things, but again attrition remains their enemy, and most guerrila wars end in failure. The only possible way I could see this work is a super secret conspiracy where supers aren't known to the world, they somehow gather in secret, and then unleash their guerrila war when no one is suspecting. But even that is tricky, unless the starters of that organization actually have counter-intelligence training they are likely to make a mistake at some point and get on the radar of intelligence agencies, and then your right back to the cataloging.

 

[Kaodi]

In this scenario why would supers necessarily care about forming a super society anyway? Would being super even necessarily draw people together the way having money does?