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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6397390" data-attributes="member: 2011">How exactly do PCs know that dragons have lousy vision? Metagame much?Now that I have the Monster Manual, I'll go check to see if Dragons have lousy vision. I suspect that even if they do, they still have a decent Perception.Yup. Valid questions. Some of them even get thought of in game. That doesn't mean that a discussion is not beneficial. Your point here is moot.How exactly does my PC know that this is not an ancient wyrm? Again, metagaming? Have you ever tried to gauge the size of something in the dark from a long distance away? How many people confused flairs with a large UFO in Arizona (which btw was proven based on spectrum analysis of the color). All I knew was that it was large enough to attack the keep and presumably set the town on fire.IIRC, enemies were not even mentioned when we were far away. We did not discuss enemies, we discussed the dragon. It wasn't until we got to the town that we saw enemies. From far away, we saw small shapes moving around the town. At least that's how our DM described it to us and knowing how meticulous our DM is, I suspect that's what the writeup in the book mentions. I vaguely recall that our DM read something straight out of the book, but my memory is not good enough these days to state this as fact.PCs do not know the dragon is so busy that it will ignore them. Players do not know what the "adventure calls for". This is all armchair quarterbacking by you after knowing the facts.Discussing the dragon is a perfectly reasonable and even expected response. If you do not think so, fine. Metagame away.</blockquote>

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