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<blockquote data-quote="sithramir" data-source="post: 6397760" data-attributes="member: 12183"><p>You're going to check if they have X-ray vision? Being hidden in the trees or INSIDE means they have full cover. Does this help clarify what I meant for you? Dragons do not have X-ray vision. It isn't metagaming to use common sense since a character with 16 int is pretty smart. They might be able to do a lot of things without a dragon noticing being inside a keep or in a deep forest. And it's flying back and forth over the town and it's night? Don't shoot flares at it.</p><p></p><p>Let me rephrase to "they aren't omnipotent" so it's still possible to help and stay out of trouble from the dragon.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What point? I asked you questions because this is a conversation. I"m not trying to get in a heated discussion or argument here. I"m asking what your thoughts are. The reason is because the adventure is making your character interact with the other PC's and decide how you want to act. Role playing. You don't have to go to the town but you are role playing your characters in a scary scenario instead of one you know you will automatically succeed in?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Read the first part of what I said? Maybe it's not Arcana but can be another knowledge check or survival, etc. Up to the DM. There are skills in the game that can be used to help garner information that might help you gauge what this dragon can do. Not all dragons are equal. You've previously discussed how powerful dragons are and your characters understand it is unbeatable. What it was a wymling dragon (or modified dragon) of an appropriate CR for your group to beat? Did the DM clearly state it was an unbeatable dragon? I think you could only be mad AFTER learning it's too powerful. Your character at the time wouldn't know that so why would they act like it's unbeatable?</p><p></p><p></p><p>How did you know it was unbeatable then? Seems perfectly safe to get a little closer and start helping before even having to make any real decisions. Why is the dragon going to be able to see you again?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm confused as to why I don't think it's fine to discuss the dragon? Of course you would? I stated that an intelligent creature would have more than the single thought of "there's a dragon THIS IS INSANE". I'm pointing out that you could have went stealthily through the adventure somewhat easily avoiding the "large dragon shaped beast" that you see far off in the darkness...You could have avoided any parts where you were directly too close to the danger of the dragon. Sounds like an adventure that requires you to think and make hard decisions and be careful which I like. You don't have to like it but I just don't see it as bad design overall.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sithramir, post: 6397760, member: 12183"] You're going to check if they have X-ray vision? Being hidden in the trees or INSIDE means they have full cover. Does this help clarify what I meant for you? Dragons do not have X-ray vision. It isn't metagaming to use common sense since a character with 16 int is pretty smart. They might be able to do a lot of things without a dragon noticing being inside a keep or in a deep forest. And it's flying back and forth over the town and it's night? Don't shoot flares at it. Let me rephrase to "they aren't omnipotent" so it's still possible to help and stay out of trouble from the dragon. What point? I asked you questions because this is a conversation. I"m not trying to get in a heated discussion or argument here. I"m asking what your thoughts are. The reason is because the adventure is making your character interact with the other PC's and decide how you want to act. Role playing. You don't have to go to the town but you are role playing your characters in a scary scenario instead of one you know you will automatically succeed in? Read the first part of what I said? Maybe it's not Arcana but can be another knowledge check or survival, etc. Up to the DM. There are skills in the game that can be used to help garner information that might help you gauge what this dragon can do. Not all dragons are equal. You've previously discussed how powerful dragons are and your characters understand it is unbeatable. What it was a wymling dragon (or modified dragon) of an appropriate CR for your group to beat? Did the DM clearly state it was an unbeatable dragon? I think you could only be mad AFTER learning it's too powerful. Your character at the time wouldn't know that so why would they act like it's unbeatable? How did you know it was unbeatable then? Seems perfectly safe to get a little closer and start helping before even having to make any real decisions. Why is the dragon going to be able to see you again? I'm confused as to why I don't think it's fine to discuss the dragon? Of course you would? I stated that an intelligent creature would have more than the single thought of "there's a dragon THIS IS INSANE". I'm pointing out that you could have went stealthily through the adventure somewhat easily avoiding the "large dragon shaped beast" that you see far off in the darkness...You could have avoided any parts where you were directly too close to the danger of the dragon. Sounds like an adventure that requires you to think and make hard decisions and be careful which I like. You don't have to like it but I just don't see it as bad design overall. [/QUOTE]
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