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Message: <blockquote data-quote="buzz" data-source="post: 1791464" data-attributes="member: 6777">Or, at least, how great an idea it was. I don't think anyone is going to deny the importance or quality of the Model T or the Apple II, either. I don't know that I want to commute to work in the former and do Web design on the latter, though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I don't know if anyone is "criticizing" Gygax & co. per se. Conversely, I don't know if it's valid to criticize 3e for not being the charming little staple-bound game that enthralled you when you were 12, either. Time has moved forward. It tends to do that.Make note of this...(And, yes, the RPG community is getting older. That happens when the hobby as a whole matures.)Isn't this the same reason you're taking 3e to task in the above paragraph and previous posts?When 3e was released, WotC created a Basic Set to go along with it. The new version, which comes with more bells and whistles than any previous edition, has just come out. The PHB is not the Basic Set.Well it's not the Basic Set. Apples, meet oranges.As for appealing to the non-hard-core... I can't think of any other mainstream RPG that is as well set up for casual gaming as D&D (any edition). I don't know that 3e is necessarily any better or worse in this regard.I had thought that the bigger problem was either side of the debate making sweeping claims that the other "lacked character and charm" and "no one will ever have nostalgia for it". I know I'm certianly not trying to argue that anyone's prefeence is wrong. Far be it from me to tell you you're not having fun.I think faulting a company for occasionally trying to improve, update, and keep current its product over a span of 30 years is incredibly unreasonable. Using a phrase like "kicked to the curb" in this regard seems totally nuts to me. I mean, do I get to use phrases like that when I talk about how disappointed I was with 2e? When they basically didn't do a damn thing to make the game any better (IMO), address any of its outstanding design issues, and, on top of it, package it with some of the ugliest art and design ever (Planescape excepted)?Nah. I didn't bother. Like a lot of people, I just took my money elsewhere. I would have done the same if they'd just kept reprinting 1e. When I saw that 3e actually had improvements I liked, that it looked liked it had learned from the past decades of RPG design, I brought my money back. The industry already has one Palladium. Reprinting 1e ad nauseam would just have ended up with TSR competing for the #2 spot (and then #3, and then #4...).There's fault on both sides of these stupid debates. From my perspective, I more often see the "old guard" on the offensive, but that could just be coincidence... or, like you perhaps, what I'm looknig for.As the initial post in this thread points out, only time will tell. All I know is, 3e brought me back into the hobby full-force, and seems to have ushered into existence a number of companies doing great things with the OGL. Whether a consequence or a coincidence, we're in a second Golden Age right now. There's so much great product (D&D and non) on the shelves right now, it'll make your head spin. I wouldn't trade this for a c.1980s FLGS for the world.</blockquote>

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