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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 3032588" data-attributes="member: 9254">I don't see anything illegal about it.&nbsp; IIRC, there are a few 1st level maneuvers and/or stances that have pre-reqs of &quot;1 maneuver of same discipline&quot; and nothing I've seen says that you can't use your other 1st level maneuvers to qualify.&nbsp; I find the martial adept Initiator Level mechanic to be a little odd in comparison to Caster Level because of the level sharing.&nbsp; You can't mix a sorceror 1 with a wizard 16 to gain access to 9th level spells.&nbsp; It seems very much a PrC type of mechanic.&nbsp; It makes me unhappy, as it seems like the old &quot;dipping&quot; problem where someone would take 1 level of ranger to get a fist full of feats.&nbsp; I can easily see a munchkinesque tactic of being a multiclass Crusader2/ Warblade2/ Sword Sage2.&nbsp; That would give you several auto-refreshing 1st level maneuvers, a couple easily refreshed 2nd level maneuvers, and a whole bunch of rarely refreshed 3rd level maneuvers, not to mention 4 or 5 stances.&nbsp; BAB is +5, fantabulous saves, and a scadload of specials.&nbsp; As long as you aren't worried about going epic and losing the epic bonus feats, this is a rich combo.&nbsp; I've considered putting a house-rule limit on cross-class initiator levels to 4x the base MA class level to prevent the 20th level fighter IMC from immediately qualifying for 6th level maneuvers.&nbsp; That mechanic would, in your example, limit you to 2nd level sword sage maneuvers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 3032588, member: 9254"] I don't see anything illegal about it. IIRC, there are a few 1st level maneuvers and/or stances that have pre-reqs of "1 maneuver of same discipline" and nothing I've seen says that you can't use your other 1st level maneuvers to qualify. I find the martial adept Initiator Level mechanic to be a little odd in comparison to Caster Level because of the level sharing. You can't mix a sorceror 1 with a wizard 16 to gain access to 9th level spells. It seems very much a PrC type of mechanic. It makes me unhappy, as it seems like the old "dipping" problem where someone would take 1 level of ranger to get a fist full of feats. I can easily see a munchkinesque tactic of being a multiclass Crusader2/ Warblade2/ Sword Sage2. That would give you several auto-refreshing 1st level maneuvers, a couple easily refreshed 2nd level maneuvers, and a whole bunch of rarely refreshed 3rd level maneuvers, not to mention 4 or 5 stances. BAB is +5, fantabulous saves, and a scadload of specials. As long as you aren't worried about going epic and losing the epic bonus feats, this is a rich combo. I've considered putting a house-rule limit on cross-class initiator levels to 4x the base MA class level to prevent the 20th level fighter IMC from immediately qualifying for 6th level maneuvers. That mechanic would, in your example, limit you to 2nd level sword sage maneuvers. [/QUOTE]

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