Is the cost of Daggerheart books too low?

[Benjamin Olson]

::Boggle::
In every game I've ever played in, character sheet logistics has been part of the GM's job. At the end of the session, the GM takes the character sheets and puts them in a folder or whatever and then bring them to the next session. That way the GM has all the PC info in between sessions for adventure planning, and should a player be missing from a session that character sheet is still available if needed.

I can only offer anecdotal evidence, but while maybe a quarter to half of in-person gaming groups I've been with have sometimes had individuals entrust their character sheets to another person (usually the GM), it being the expectation that everyone do so seems pretty atypical. Seems like something that I imagine happens most often with new-to-ttrpgs groups trying a beginner set out of a box and still being in a board game mindset (the character sheets came from the box so they live there), very controlling GMs, or games run for actual children. But maybe it is more common with Daggerheart, what with all the groups sharing cards.

This last possibility to my mind reemphasizes that the cards are a cumbersome, unnecessary, and silly thing, but I'm clearly in a small minority on that point.

 

[Elvish Lore]

Wow! In more than 30 years of gaming, I’ve never even heard of such a thing!

Regardless of the game we are playing, players ALWAYS keep their character sheets between sessions in my experience.

I think I’d actually be more than a little taken aback if a GM asked for my character sheet at the end of the session …

So. many. damn. times.... at least one player would leave the character sheet at home, it was in their backpack that got stolen, dog ate it, they lost it, blah, blah, blah. I never demanded anyone leave their sheet with me but I certainly volunteered for the duty of keeping them.

For the past 15 years, I've made it a point that the players take photos of their sheet and send them to me. At least now we have a backup.

 

[MichaelSomething]

My position is "don't look at a gift horse in the mouth."

 

[Staffan]

My position is "don't look at a gift horse in the mouth."

Worked out great for Troy.

 

[billd91]

::Boggle::
In every game I've ever played in, character sheet logistics has been part of the GM's job. At the end of the session, the GM takes the character sheets and puts them in a folder or whatever and then bring them to the next session. That way the GM has all the PC info in between sessions for adventure planning, and should a player be missing from a session that character sheet is still available if needed.

Wow! In more than 30 years of gaming, I’ve never even heard of such a thing!

Regardless of the game we are playing, players ALWAYS keep their character sheets between sessions in my experience.

I think I’d actually be more than a little taken aback if a GM asked for my character sheet at the end of the session …

I don't think I would call it a particularly weird practice but the GM keeping the PC's sheets is, I'd wager, distinctly in the minority - and probably the result of being burned too many times by players forgetting/losing their sheets.

That said, I'm utterly fascinated by the idea that it may be a more common practice in Swedish gaming culture.

 

[billd91]

Worked out great for Troy.

Well, it would have if they actually had... you know.

 

[SteveC]

I have to say I'm a fan of the cards, even though I have only used them to transcribe them onto paper. I think there are some people who will get a lot out of the cards based on their playstyle. I'm the guy who made a summary of all my powers in 4E and then put that page in a sheet protector. So I'm not the target audience for them.

But I have seen how people who have different preferences really like them. And that makes me think there are players who will get into the game precisely because they do have cards. That makes me happy.

I have PDF copies of the game, and now I can copy powers into that doc and don't even need the cards ... but my daughter thought they were cool, and if she wants to play because of them, that's great.

 

[mamba]

Have you lost the narrative? You were the one who suggested "DP just raising their prices and others doing the sane sometime later..."

that was the OP’s point, I only said that them doing so and others later following that direction is not collusion if they do not plan this together

I'm talking about those unnamed "others". You are suggesting that some meaningful number of them will independently choose to also raise their prices as a result of DP changing the price on one product. I question that result happening independently.

I am not expecting that either, DP is too small a player to set the price for the Industry (see my first post in this topic where I wrote as much), but if no one else raises the prices, the collusion idea falls apart immediately…

 

[zakael19]

I dont' think I've ever seen physical charsheets handed to the GM for next session, but the player with the physical core Daggerheart set did leave his cards at my place (I host the games)!

 

[Staffan]

That said, I'm utterly fascinated by the idea that it may be a more common practice in Swedish gaming culture.

I mean, it could be that it's just the people I've been gaming with. That said, I have been in what I'd consider 7 more-or-less distinct groups dating back to the late 80s, and it has always been the GM's job to keep the sheets. Sometimes someone has wanted to bring their sheet home, presumably to read up on things, but the norm is that the sheets are part of the game and usually the GM is the one who has all the game stuff. It's just more convenient that way. It eliminates the risk that someone forgets their sheet when stressed after work and stuff like that.

I wonder if this could have its roots in the Swedish RPG market being proportionally more diverse than the US market. Again, it might just be my bias, but pretty much every group I've been a part of except one (which was a fairly short-lived group that only got to play one campaign and it got cut short for reasons) have played multiple RPGs, so usually only the GM has had the book(s) for that game. And it only makes sense that whomever has the books for the game also has the sheets.