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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zak S" data-source="post: 7693450" data-attributes="member: 90370">Not relevant to the argument, sorry I included a near-synonym and confused the issueAgain: not logical.The dwarves being hirable is a concern for the player trying to win in a world where that can happen. Whether that is "rational" is not relevant to the quality of the module.Just like turtles being stompable is relevant to someone trying to beat Super Mario, the physics of that is not relevant and if the physics doesn't match real life that is not relevant and doesn't make the game worse.I mean: the economics of Mushroom World probably don't make sense, that doesn't mean you can't think of clever things to do in Super Mario or that it's a poorly-designed game.Demiliches are crazy near-gods and make crazy things in their crazy houses. Ok.I never said "if you don't like it it's because you aren't clever enough to deal with its tricks" or anything like it. I don't say insane things.I said a much more rational thing. I said "one possible reason some people may not like it it is they aren't clever enough to deal with its tricks" and "It is not rational to claim the game is 'unbeatable' simply because you can't think of a way to beat it".It is good that you did that. This makes you a better person than someone who isn't able to do that.That is what I am saying. Though I think the important thing is:THE BASELINE ASSUMPTION of any fantasy game is that it "doesn't make sense" on some level of physics. This must be true for the game to be a fantasy game with magic in it. This is by definition going to mean there are knock-on effects for some of the economics, etc. A great deal is left in a black box, unexplored by the deisgner. It has to be. To criticize what is known to be a fantasy on the grounds that it contains some of these assumptions  is absurd.The only way to take advantage of strategies that exploit things left in the fantasy world's workings' "black box" (Can I hire dwarves to do x for me? Are there dwarves nearby?) is to run it pas the GM and have them make a call. (And the GM, of course, is an elected office and must represent the collective sensibility of the group) The only other option is to limit the game in some new way that would go against the philosophy of forcing outside-the-box creativity required to make many playstyles fun.Then you could say why you don't agree and we could have a conversation about that.</blockquote>

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