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Message: <blockquote data-quote="werecorpse" data-source="post: 7693467" data-attributes="member: 55491">I had found that tv trope reference - it was the same as the one I had referred to earlier so I was looking for something else.I will consult the resources you suggest for more stories.I am aware that Gygax judged the event with the crown and sceptre. The effect of touching the wrong end of the sceptre to the wearer the result is "the wearer is instantly snuffed out, turning to a fetid powder which cannot be brought back to life no matter what (wishes notwithstanding)". I would have thought it was like a powerful curse that effected the living (the use of snuffed out which usually refers to flame, light or life, the phrase can't be brought back to life - a bit like the demilich attack).However its use is novel, innovative and deserves reward in a tournament, and has been judged so by Gygax. I also would have interpreted the words "can be harmed only as follows" to exclude the methods of harm contained in that same adventure. But it worked in that tournament and that's fine and dandy. I guess my point in referring to this success is to wonder about stories of successes, did they occur by using ways to harm the demilich that depend on DM interpretation rather than according to the methods stated in the adventure?</blockquote>