It is time to forgive WOTC and get back onboard.

[WarDriveWorley]

I will give them the credit they deserve for making the choice they made. I will give them props for doing something I didn't think they would do.

I, however, will not "get back on board". And I'm not coming from a place of malice with this, but a place of understanding.

This isn't the first time they've tried a similar stunt.
Their decision, while good, is still calculated on their part.
Their dishonesty while this was going on eroded a lot of good will I had left.

My stance is based on understanding that it's an abusive relationship and I want to distance myself from being trapped in it again.

I wish them luck with it. I hope that they continue to make DnD successful and I hope that DnD remains a fun and safe place for everyone. I just can't see myself providing money towards WOTC in the light of what has happened.

 

[Plokman]

Thank? Get back on board?

Thank?

Nope.exe, just means we get to play the game as we want. You best believe they broke a code, the code of "Do no harm, but take no crap!" We just had a lot of bull s#$t and only got it our way because we were following the bard's lesson "well I won't back down, no I won't back down!"

You gotta give forgiveness before you can give it! I just am glad I can support Castle Perilous again. (The local shop with TTRPG and such is named that) Yes I have to buy Hasbro but I care about local businesses too, and I would hate to see a game shop close.

 

[delericho]

WotC burned down twenty years of accumulated good will with this one. Backing down doesn't instantly restore that; all it does is let them start rebuilding.

That said, for me the point of no return would have been them publishing their notice of de-authorization (or similar), and they stepped away from that. So I'm not getting back on board, but only because I never quite left. And I'm really glad of that - one of the reasons this one hit me so hard is that I didn't want to give up on the game.

All IMO, of course.

 

[Plokman]

WotC burned down twenty years of accumulated good will with this one. Backing down doesn't instantly restore that; all it does is let them start rebuilding.

That said, for me the point of no return would have been them publishing their notice of de-authorization (or similar), and they stepped away from that. So I'm not getting back on board, but only because I never quite left. And I'm really glad of that - one of the reasons this one hit me so hard is that I didn't want to give up on the game.

All IMO, of course.

I wasn't sure if I would jump off, I had my hand on the throttle of our train ready to high ball out of the yard. Now I am shunting this train into a siding and padlocking the brakes tight. The fire will be kept burning in case we need to pull out faster than they can catch!

 

[Jadeite]

I'm not getting back onboard, but I'm moving on. It's a great severance package, but WotC is probably done with Open Gaming. Their leadership still thinks that the game is undermonetized and they invested a amount in Digital Initiative 2.0. So, 1D&D will likely be a game that I'm not interested in. I guess I should have made the switch to PF2 sooner, as most recent D&D books were underwhelming and bland. They did apologize for the Hadozee, not for Spelljammer being an underdelivering cash grab.
That said, their apology from yesterday felt genuine, far better than the previous one as it was succinct, without any lingo about everyone winning. So I don't wish them ill but hope for an industry were many publishers and games can prosper, including D&D.

 

[Plokman]

I'm not getting back onboard, but I'm moving on. It's a great severance package, but WotC is probably done with Open Gaming. Their leadership still thinks that the game is undermonetized and they invested a amount in Digital Initiative 2.0. So, 1D&D will likely be a game that I'm not interested in. I guess I should have made the switch to PF2 sooner, as most recent D&D books were underwhelming and bland. They did apologize for the Hadozee, not for Spelljammer being an underdelivering cash grab.
That said, their apology from yesterday felt genuine, far better than the previous one as it was succinct, without any lingo about everyone winning. So I don't wish them ill but hope for an industry were many publishers and games can prosper, including D&D.

Aye, tha' be the muckle truth. I don't wish them harm, but they did us wrong and I hope they were being honest with this apology. Be safe on your travels into PF2 my friend, may the games be fun.

 

[Longspeak]

None of this stopped me from playing my weekly game. And there hasn't been another play test for me to examine.

^^ This ^^

Except the playtest. I don't care. I'm playing the last edition of D&D I'll ever spend money on, but that's no different than before the 1.1/1.2 debacle. Lots of good stuff out there that's not D&D these days.

 

[mach1.9pants]

I will still be picking some DnD stuff, as long as the other SRDs go to CC (3.0 etc), but my balance of purchases will shift a lot. TBH most newer stuff put out by Wizards has been poor, DL was not good, and Spelljammer beyond bad. But they have changed course, which is good, and DnD is still the gateway drug to RPGs - so I want it to succeed. I'm 50 this year, very close to DnD, and have been playing most of my life, I want the 50th to be a great thing for them, too

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Those that want to forgive, can forgive. Those that want to move on, move on.
Everyone should have fun, no matter what game they chose.

I hope noone here holds his grudge foreever, which would be unhealthy.
And I do sincerely hope that people who want nothing to do with WotC and D&D anymore to stay out of the OneD&D threads and playtest. I just want to talk about the new rules and make the game the best we can get.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

Their blunder has been of historical proportions. This caused a serious damage to the prestige of the brand and even in the best case they are going to need a lot of time and effort to recover the lost trust.

Now WotC is the main source of incomes for Hasbro. Without this they couldn't survive yet. Do you want D&D in the hands of a new owner? For example Disney, Microsoft or WarnerDiscovery.

Of course both sides need diplomatic skills. They want to make money, we can't blame them about this, but we also need to promote the hobby to the next generations.

 

[Olrox17]

I don’t need to forgive them. I can however, go back to be a paying customer for products I deem worthy of my money.
Which is what they care about, anyway.

 

[Clint_L]

Again with the talk of forgiveness. WotC and I are not in a personal relationship. It has always been and remains purely transactional. If they have something I want, I will buy it. If they don't, I won't. Mostly...they don't make stuff I want. But DnDBeyond is a huge convenience and integral to D&D Club, so they will keep getting my seven bucks a month for that, at a minimum.

 

[Branduil]

I'm not much interested in anthropomorphizing giant corporations. I greatly appreciate everyone who fought for this victory, and I'm glad WotC leadership caved on this. I hope they can rebuild a healthy relationship with the community that supports them.

For me, I decided a while ago to move on. 5e for me was always blandly acceptable-- it was good enough as a game, it had a few really good ideas (adv/disadv, bound accuracy), and most people were okay with playing it. But I was never really attached to any D&D settings, and the flaws in the system rankled as the years went by: overpowered magic again, non-existant OOC rules, boring fighters, bad rangers, etc. The best thing you could say for it was the massive 3rd party support to fix various issues, but that's ruined now. I was okay with 5e, but I actually enjoyed 4e as a game far more. I'm actually finding Pathfinder 2e to be far better at giving that experience, ironically enough considering its origins.

 

[Andvari]

And Level Up: Advanced Fifth Edition forever.
And AGE forever.
And C7d20 forever.
And the ORC Alliance forever.

Doing these things forever is going to take some time.

 

[The Stray]

Yeah, no. They still haven't apologized to the MTG community for the 30th Anniversary debacle, and this was an unforced error on their part. I'm not forgiving them for being the ones to lob the grenade into their own community's trust and goodwill, even if they're jumping on it now.

 

[Dreamscape]

Holding a grudge isn't good for anyone's health.

I beg to differ! Some of my grudges date back to primary school, yet I'm in perfect health. I hope old "Stinky" Perkins* sublimes in physics hell for all eternity.

* Surnames changed to protect the guilty.

 

[teitan]

I’ll go back to how I was, playing DCC and buying some D&D merch. I’ll get the Giants book and Planescape for sure now and I might even buy the D&DOne core books just to check them out but we are exceptionally happy with our DCC game.

 

[Velderan]

I'd argue people should have learned a lesson from this experience; it's not healthy for 1 system to dominate the industry like this. Branch out, try new stuff. I'm not boycotting WotC since they backed down, but my table will still be switching to PF2e for our next campaign and we'll likely try a different system and genre after that. Maybe we give 1D&D a try down the road, we'll see.

 

[Bedrockgames]

I think they damaged a tremendous amount of good will and trust. That is going to take a lot of time to rebuild. People are going to need to see that they don't pull this kind of thing again in the future. I think the whole lawyerly seizing upon the term 'authorized' in the OGL to do something most people didn't think they had the legal or moral right to do, has me pretty skeptical about what conduct to expect from them in the future. Hopefully they are sincere here. Hopefully they truly were moved to change their position based on the overwhelming feedback they got.

 

[Steampunkette]

I forgive them.

I will not forget. And I will not trust.

But I forgive.

So I'll buy any 5e book that seems interesting to me, or even exciting. And I'll use it with A5e going forward. I'll mine it for ideas and concepts and the building blocks of other materials that I can produce because it's good to get different ideas together and blend them into new ones.

But I won't release anything under OGL 1.0a unless I -have- to. Because I don't trust them.

I'm not going to be angry at others who don't forgive. I will be quick with reminders for those who forget, however.

And I will encourage people not to trust them.

But I forgive them.