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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voss" data-source="post: 3936736" data-attributes="member: 57593">Still just a tweak.  And the 'base system' is just a way to force people to buy an extra book.  The rules between systems were close enough to function together, just as much as nWoD systems are.And the madness makes the ventrue *very* different.  They were paragons of control, now they're slaves to degeneration (or rather, the dice rolls).  And actually, apart from which disciplines they get a price break on, there isn't anything to the nWoD vampire clans *except* their weaknesses.  And many of the weaknesses are so harsh (and inconsistent between clans and bloodlines) that they overshadow everything else. Everything else is fluff and playing to a vague stereotype, or not.  You can ditch everything else and it doesn't actually matter- you can come up with any concept you care to name and just slap the clan weakness on as an afterthought.   A Mekhet bruiser is the same a Mekhet scholar or a Daeva bruiser or Nosferatu scholar.  Except for a couple discipline points and the big giant glaring weaknesses.  That wasn't really true in oWoD. A Tremere scholar was a very different animated corpse than a nosferatu scholar, and not just because one was ugly on the outside.</blockquote>