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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 3967071" data-attributes="member: 5100">Not so much.  I, for one, had rather come to accept tieflings in 4E prior to reading the R&C book.  I wouldn't say I was excited by them, but I had gotten over most of my misgivings to the point I didn't really have an issue with them in the PHB.  Like you say, different strokes.I was extremely disappointed by what I read in R&C, though.  It pretty well reduced the tieflings to silly caricatures of emo-goths.  Don't get me wrong... I rather enjoy the moralist, contemplative struggle against inner darkness.  I played V:tM for 7-8 years and left it mainly because 3E came out.  I've even played half-fiendish characters and had a blast.I've never had a problem with tieflings (in the 2E/3E sense) in D&D, I was just a bit unsure about putting them in the PHB.  I thought it was a matter of what was appropriate to the genre, but eventually warmed to it.  The basic idea of a race descended from infernalists actually isn't that bad, when you look at Moorcock or some others.On reading the R&C book, though, I was struck by the poor implementation of the concept.  Granted, I could probably come up with worse, but the version presented is pretty bland.  There were a couple of things I felt like I could hang a hook on, but those were usually twisted later in the essay into something I wouldn't use.It's not a bad idea.  It's a reasonable idea that was botched -- assuming there isn't a rewrite of the tiefling backstory between R&C and PHB.As always, art is subjective.  I prefer my tainted humans to look like tainted humans, not full-bore infernal beasts.  The over-the-top horns and saurian tail are horrible, IMO.  The text says tieflings are charismatic and could pass for human at a distance.  The pictures say tieflings are disturbingly alien and could pass for demons, trolls, or circus freaks at a distance.If D&D wasn't D&D (the big name) and I didn't already play, the picture on R&C would probably cause me to ignore the game and look for something else.  Vestigial horns would be a huge improvement and a tail-job wouldn't hurt, either.</blockquote>

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