Kanegrundar
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Yep, same here. It's OK, but definantly not my cup of tea. Oh well, money saved in the end.
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Judges Guild revival
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Undoubtedly D20 (3.5) has a larger market share than C&C.
But in this case, TLG will also be tapping a nostalgia vein. In a recent EN world poll (here) about 30% of respondents began gaming before 1980, which was precisely the period in which JG was at its peak (in fact I remember lusting after JG material in the late '70s, since it was hard to find in my area). While I have no crystal ball, my suspicion is that some of those folks will tempted by a new Wilderlands edition - regardless of system. Of course, some may not. Still, I'd have to think that the Trolls had at least considered this.
My perceptions may be different than others - I am always attracted first to settings, regardless of system. I'd buy new Wilderlands stuff if it were Tri-Stat, or RQ, or whatever. And then, if I didn't like the system, I'd tweak it to my own tastes. As I said - others may well feel differently.
Geleg
But in this case, TLG will also be tapping a nostalgia vein. In a recent EN world poll (here) about 30% of respondents began gaming before 1980, which was precisely the period in which JG was at its peak (in fact I remember lusting after JG material in the late '70s, since it was hard to find in my area). While I have no crystal ball, my suspicion is that some of those folks will tempted by a new Wilderlands edition - regardless of system. Of course, some may not. Still, I'd have to think that the Trolls had at least considered this.
My perceptions may be different than others - I am always attracted first to settings, regardless of system. I'd buy new Wilderlands stuff if it were Tri-Stat, or RQ, or whatever. And then, if I didn't like the system, I'd tweak it to my own tastes. As I said - others may well feel differently.
Geleg
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trancejeremy
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While C&C has a smaller userbase, it also has much less competition among that userbase. So I wouldn't be surprised to see this do better.
One tidbit for those not familiar with C&C - it is d20 based, a system which is intended to marry some of the better ideas of 3.0 with a more rules-lite simplicity of 1e AD&D - i.e. a hybrid (ascending AC for instance). I for one love it, especially as it ENCOURAGES individual adaptation and house rule add-ons to suit the individual game. To me it is what 3rd ed. D&D should have been... 
The TLG products also seem to be growing from a mere niche to a wider audience, while WOTC products seem to be going from the widest audience to narrower lately. That trend is what perhaps negates the "market share" discussions above, especially as NG is probably as unsure of "official" D&D's direction as the rest of the people on these boards.
The TLG products also seem to be growing from a mere niche to a wider audience, while WOTC products seem to be going from the widest audience to narrower lately. That trend is what perhaps negates the "market share" discussions above, especially as NG is probably as unsure of "official" D&D's direction as the rest of the people on these boards.
Whizbang Dustyboots
Legend
Er, Rule Zero is the very first thing printed in my D&D core books. Hard to get much more encouraging than that.seskis281 said:
Mystaros
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Hi everyone!
James Mishler here, President and Main Man of Adventure Games Publishing...
I thought I'd make a few points vis a vis concerns...
1) I chose C&C as the platform for the Wilderlands of High Adventure because it has an expanding fan base, whereas d20 has a shrinking fanbase. The future of "d20-bsed" games is in branded systems like C&C, Mutants & Masterminds, and so forth... and C&C also fits in best with classic JG style.
2) That said, fan-designed d20 System conversions will be encouraged, and available on the Adventure Games Publishing website (www.adventuregamespubs.com), which is not, as yet, up and running... ideally, next week.
3) Adventure Games Publishing is a new company, and currently consists of myself. I have licensed the Wilderlands from Judges Guild and Castles & Crusades from Troll Lords. Necromancer Games is not involved, though I spoke with Bill briefly yesterday, and he thought it sounded pretty cool. AFAIK, NG will still be publishing Tegel Manor, and another company will be publishing d20 conversions of classic Judges Guild modules... though that announcement won't be for a few weeks yet (I can't say anything more than that, really, as I am not involved in that project). The paths of the two separate projects will not cross, at least, not as of this point...
4) I will be making the official announcement at Bob Bledsaw's "Death & Resurrection of Judges Guild" 10:00 seminar on Saturday (Hyatt Canyon Room), and be available for Q&A during the seminar.
5) The five High Class books are entirely optional... all the new classes will have "default standard" C&C classes that can be used in place of the new, optional class. For example, the Amazon can be used as a simple Fighter, or the Priest would simply be a Cleric, while the Necromancer would just be a Wizard. Even the various Psychic classes will be able to be switched out with Wizards or Clerics... though the Psychic book will add a whole new system of power to the C&C mix.
Please ask questions, if you wish, and I'll be happy to answer as opportunity permits, through my Gen Con-fried brain...
James Mishler here, President and Main Man of Adventure Games Publishing...
I thought I'd make a few points vis a vis concerns...
1) I chose C&C as the platform for the Wilderlands of High Adventure because it has an expanding fan base, whereas d20 has a shrinking fanbase. The future of "d20-bsed" games is in branded systems like C&C, Mutants & Masterminds, and so forth... and C&C also fits in best with classic JG style.
2) That said, fan-designed d20 System conversions will be encouraged, and available on the Adventure Games Publishing website (www.adventuregamespubs.com), which is not, as yet, up and running... ideally, next week.
3) Adventure Games Publishing is a new company, and currently consists of myself. I have licensed the Wilderlands from Judges Guild and Castles & Crusades from Troll Lords. Necromancer Games is not involved, though I spoke with Bill briefly yesterday, and he thought it sounded pretty cool. AFAIK, NG will still be publishing Tegel Manor, and another company will be publishing d20 conversions of classic Judges Guild modules... though that announcement won't be for a few weeks yet (I can't say anything more than that, really, as I am not involved in that project). The paths of the two separate projects will not cross, at least, not as of this point...
4) I will be making the official announcement at Bob Bledsaw's "Death & Resurrection of Judges Guild" 10:00 seminar on Saturday (Hyatt Canyon Room), and be available for Q&A during the seminar.
5) The five High Class books are entirely optional... all the new classes will have "default standard" C&C classes that can be used in place of the new, optional class. For example, the Amazon can be used as a simple Fighter, or the Priest would simply be a Cleric, while the Necromancer would just be a Wizard. Even the various Psychic classes will be able to be switched out with Wizards or Clerics... though the Psychic book will add a whole new system of power to the C&C mix.
Please ask questions, if you wish, and I'll be happy to answer as opportunity permits, through my Gen Con-fried brain...
Whizbang Dustyboots
Legend
How much new material is in these, and how much is cleaning up the (admittedly pretty low-end) typefaces, etc. of the originals?
Any chance of this expanding beyond the Wilderlands to, say, Dark Tower and such?
Any chance of this expanding beyond the Wilderlands to, say, Dark Tower and such?
Don't do C&C, but I suspect its not too hard to convert to 3.5, and the news of fan-conversions to other systems on their homepage is rather encouraging. Looks like some good news for fans of the Wilderlands.
Questions, if you can answer them, James. Will there be any development on areas outside the kown map (Demon Empires and Kingdom of Karak, etc?) Also, yeah, how much actual new stuff is gonna be in these products as opposed to updated stuff?
Questions, if you can answer them, James. Will there be any development on areas outside the kown map (Demon Empires and Kingdom of Karak, etc?) Also, yeah, how much actual new stuff is gonna be in these products as opposed to updated stuff?
I have all the original Judges Guild stuff, and even the D20 version of Invincible Overlord. Still trying to track down Wilderlands...
But I don't play C&C.
Still, I wish you well- its a great setting!
But I don't play C&C.
Still, I wish you well- its a great setting!
Grrrrrr! Double Post!
Side note- I just ordered Wilderlands and Lost City of Barakus from Amazon...
I may not buy the new stuff, but your post reminded me of something I had forgotten. Again, good luck...and thanks!
Side note- I just ordered Wilderlands and Lost City of Barakus from Amazon...
I may not buy the new stuff, but your post reminded me of something I had forgotten. Again, good luck...and thanks!
Angel Tarragon
Dawn Dragon
Not a C&C fan. I am thinking of letting my parents buy me WOHF for Christmas, but I am also curious. Will WOHA be worth converting to d20?
Raphael Pinthus
Explorer
Akrasia said:This is great news, in my opinion. The Wilderlands and C&C seem like natural partners, and this new product line can only help both JG/AG and TLG.
If I ever manage to run a C&C tabletop campaign again, it will almost definitely be set in the Wilderlands.
Ditto.
Treebore
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Akrasia said:
Many people are happy with 3E. Heck, I'm still happy to play it. Of course I'll play any edition, or any game, if I'm convinced the GM and players are going to be fun to game with.
C&C is just an awesome alternative to those of us who are burned out on 3E. Auld Grump and 100's of thousands of others, if not millions, aren't tired of 3E and wanting something...easier. Great for them!
C&C is a great, fun, simpler system that "we who are burned out" have found to be "the" perfect alternative. Great for us!
If I wasn't "tired" of 3E I would not have switched to C&C. Probably. Maybe.
Since I am a huge fan of C&C the JG news is music to my ears!
It also sounds like there is another "group" of JG people who may be concentrating on doing a 3E version of this JG revival. If so the 3E people will have great news, and us C&C people will have two companies for us to choose material for our C&C games.
mhensley
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While I wish this product line to do well and I do like C&C, it has some major hurdles to cross. First off a new company with only one employee is going to release over 20 new products? TLG itself only barely manages to produce a few things every year. Second, Necromancer lost money on JG stuff. And most hardcore fans of JG have already bought the stuff that Necromancer put out. I did and I certainly won't be buying it again just because it's for C&C. Third, C&C is a small niche game- growing or not. JG fans who use C&C is a small niche of a small niche. Good luck. :\
Geron Raveneye
Explorer
Mystaros said:
Just to point out something to all the people who seem to forget that Castles & Crusades is an OGL game that is not THAT far removed from D20, and which can be translated there easily...especially if the new stuff has the same flavour/rules ratio as the older stuff.