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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 1469154" data-attributes="member: 114">It is... interesting... that one of the stated aims of the 3.5e revision was to make it more about the characters and less about the items - and then (as you point out) make certain spells reduce in power so much that there is no choice other than to obtain the items...If they were worried about multi-empowered buff spells they could have sorted that out either by making Empower non-stackable or by making the buff give a flat bonus (can't think why they did both!)Perhaps a good alternative would be to have the buff spells give +4 but still lasting for 1 hour per level - although caster classes would still want the buff items for the extra spell slots which they don't get from buff spells.</blockquote>