Listen DC vs a hovering dragon

[Hypersmurf]

The Hover feat lets dragons blind people.

I'm assuming, though, that the Listen DC to pinpoint a hovering dragon is so ridiculously low that there's no point in rolling?

(There's still the Miss chance, obviously.)

-Hyp.

 

[Derren]

To pinpoint an invisible creature you must beat its move silently check by 20.
The dragon doesn´t try to be silent, so the listen DC is 20 (+1 per 10ft)
But you still have the 50% miss chance, half movement rate and so on.

 

[Hypersmurf]

To pinpoint an invisible creature you must beat its move silently check by 20.

If it's trying to be quiet.

Otherwise it's a roll vs a static DC. If 'people talking' is DC 0, I would think a dragon flapping its wings to hover would be somewhat less...?

-Hyp.

 

[Derren]

AS DM you can set an DC, but I don´t think that flapping its wings is that loud (even if the wings are huge). Maybe DC 15 at most.

 

[LostSoul]

A creature in combat should have a listen DC of 0. (That's the same as talking at a normal level.)

I think you should let PCs be able to target a Hovering Dragon. I mean, a Dragon has enough tricks up its sleeve. I guess I feel that Hover is pure cheese.

 

[Durifern]

I agree with LostSoul. As long as the dragon doesn´t ry to move silently the DC should be 0 or very low. But what DC would you assign when a big battle takes place nearby? DC 15-20?

 

[hong]

If it's trying to be quiet.

Otherwise it's a roll vs a static DC. If 'people talking' is DC 0, I would think a dragon flapping its wings to hover would be somewhat less...?

Since the dragon isn't trying to be quiet, detecting its presence with a Listen check is DC 0. Pinpointing its location to within 5 feet is 20 higher than that, or DC 20. Mind you, in combat most people will probably have a fairly good idea of where the dragon is, so even if they don't make the DC 20 check, they can pick a square manually and still have a fair chance of finding it.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Mind you, in combat most people will probably have a fairly good idea of where the dragon is, so even if they don't make the DC 20 check, they can pick a square manually and still have a fair chance of finding it.

It's a Medium dragon in this case - 5'x5' face, and 150' fly speed... so it doesn't present a huge target, and can move around a lot

-Hyp.

 

[KnowTheToe]

Is it BIG U from RttToEE?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Is it BIG U from RttToEE?

-Hyp.