Losing a Dragonmark

Prophet2b

Villager
Is there any way to lose a Dragonmark, in Eberron?

By which I mean... can it be cut off of a person?

I would assume not, just because I would assume that that's what the Dragonmarked Houses would do when they exiled people. However, what happens if someone takes a knife and gouges out a person's arm (or wherever the mark is), thus "removing" it. Is the power attached to the mark, or is the mark simply a symbol manifested by the power itself that shows that the person in question has a Dragonmark power.

Just curious...
 

exile

Villager
I don't have a canon answer for you, but I would tie the power to the mark. I think there's lots of role-play potential in playing a a character who was previously favored of a house, but for some reason has been exiled, having the mark forcibly cut from her body, leaving her with a nasty scar and lots of enemies.
 

Corsair

Villager
No, it cannot. This is is mentioned in one of the novels, and I'm fairly certain Hellcow addressed it in one of the Ask Kieth Baker threads. Exiles often have the mark flayed from their skin, but that is more symbolic, as it grows back.
 

Prophet2b

Villager
Hmm... Okay... I'm just trying to figure out exactly how Dragonmarks work, then. Do they grow back somewhere else on the character's body? Or what?... I'm thinking of a case where... well, maybe the character has a Dragonmark on his hand/arm, and that arm gets cut off. Then what?

It seems weird that it would grow back somewhere else. Granted, I can't exactly say why... but, to me, it just does...
 

Arkhandus

Villager
No, as I recall, a Dragonmark will just reappear after a bit if cut off, and I think it's abilities remain even while it's momentarily absent. I do not know, however, what would happen if a Dragonmarked individual lost an entire arm or something, though, with their Dragonmark being on that arm.
 

DreamChaser

Villager
Prophet2b said:
Hmm... Okay... I'm just trying to figure out exactly how Dragonmarks work, then. Do they grow back somewhere else on the character's body? Or what?... I'm thinking of a case where... well, maybe the character has a Dragonmark on his hand/arm, and that arm gets cut off. Then what?

It seems weird that it would grow back somewhere else. Granted, I can't exactly say why... but, to me, it just does...
Dragonmarks are the expression of the Draconic Prophesy through living creatures. They are tied to race + bloodlines (but not necessarily to families) (which is why a half elf cannot have the Mark of Handling). The only known way to destroy a dragonmark is to kill the person with said dragonmark. Even reincarnation allows the creature to keep their dragonmark (IIRC from something Hellcow said).

DC
 

shilsen

Villager
Arkhandus said:
No, as I recall, a Dragonmark will just reappear after a bit if cut off, and I think it's abilities remain even while it's momentarily absent. I do not know, however, what would happen if a Dragonmarked individual lost an entire arm or something, though, with their Dragonmark being on that arm.
IIRC, the dragonmark will just reappear on another part of the person's body. Similarly, a person with a dragonmark who dies and is brought back in a new body via a spell (Reincarnate, for example) has the dragonmark appear on the new body as well.
 

Klaus

Villager
The only way to remove a Dragonmark permanently is to prevent the subject from qualifying for it. For instance:

- Energy Drain the character until he no longer has the feats to acquire the Dragonmarks (dangerous, if the character used his 1st level feat on Least Dragonmark). This works especially well against Dragonmarked Heirs and Heirs of Syberys.
- Reincarnate, Polymorph or otherwise permanently change the race of the character. A human reincarnated as a goblin may even have a mark that looks similar to a dragonmark, but it'll be inert.
 

Vorput

Villager
shilsen said:
IIRC, the dragonmark will just reappear on another part of the person's body. Similarly, a person with a dragonmark who dies and is brought back in a new body via a spell (Reincarnate, for example) has the dragonmark appear on the new body as well.
I vaguely recall reading this somewhere as well... but where?
 

Vorput

Villager
Klaus said:
- Reincarnate, Polymorph or otherwise permanently change the race of the character. A human reincarnated as a goblin may even have a mark that looks similar to a dragonmark, but it'll be inert.
Not true IIRC (don't ask me where, see above post). I remember reincarnate being given as a specific example- and it says the dragonmark still works, its just incapable of being passed down in the bloodline anymore.
 

Meloncov

Villager
Excoriation literally means to remove the skin; in the past the dragonmarked houses would remove the dragonmark, which was often fatal, especially for Sybers heirs (this practice has fallen out of favor/deemed illegal). However, this only removes the physical mark, not the power.
 

Merkuri

Villager
Prophet2b said:
I'm thinking of a case where... well, maybe the character has a Dragonmark on his hand/arm, and that arm gets cut off.
I would probably rule that the dragonmark would reappear on the stump of whatever was chopped off.
 

Primitive Screwhead

Community Supporter
Vorput said:
Not true IIRC (don't ask me where, see above post). I remember reincarnate being given as a specific example- and it says the dragonmark still works, its just incapable of being passed down in the bloodline anymore.
This is specifically stated in DragonMarked, Page 7 under "Marked by Blood". A Reincarnated Goblin would retain the Dragon Mark and its abilities.
 

Triumakal

Villager
Follow Up Question:

What happens to the remaining mark on the piece that is removed from the dragonmarked individual? Does it linger on the body part, or fade away or what?

Thanks,

-A curious bystander
 
That's some real necro. Speaking of which...

According to one novel, it would remain. Vol's skin lies in Illmarrow castle, with an "intact" dragonmark. Certain characters in the novel were going to compare a woman's dragonmark with Vol's, as they thought she might also have the mark of death. (She wasn't an elf, so I don't see how that was possible, but...)
 

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