Magic Vestment on a shirt = "Armor"

[0-hr]

If a monk is wearing a plain (AC 0) tunic and the cleric casts Magic Vestment on it, does the monk loose his special abilities?

It is clear that MV increases the AC of the shirt, but does it now count as "armor" as far as the monk is concerned?

 

[Hypersmurf]

It is clear that MV increases the AC of the shirt, but does it now count as "armor" as far as the monk is concerned?

My instinct is to say no... after all, at its highest, it's only one point better than Mage Armor (which monks have no problems with).

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

I would take a very technical approach on this, and say that anything worn in the "armour" and/or "shield" slots counts as armour. Everything else is not armour, including a shirt with magic vestment on it.

 

[Destil]

Logicaly I'd say no, since a shirt shouldn't restrict movement any more once it's veen vestemented. (If it did, then armor would be affected, too, after all. And the spell dosn't affect armor check, max dex or movement speed).

 

[Pax]

Those are GOOD points, Destil. Gotta say I agree with you 101%.

 

[Otterscrubber]

Can you make a +5 shirt(or set of regular clothes) then using Magic Item creation feats? This came up awhile ago when we were trying to make stuff for monks. We never came to any decent conclusion

 

[LokiDR]

Can you make a +5 shirt(or set of regular clothes) then using Magic Item creation feats? This came up awhile ago when we were trying to make stuff for monks. We never came to any decent conclusion

There is no published ones I know of. There is a "silk shirt armor" in Quintisential fighter. No check penalty, no arcane penalty, no AC bonus. You can enchant as normal armor.

Or: Wonderous item, single spell, use activated (wearing)
Spell level X caster level X 2,000.
3x15x2,000 = 90,000 for +5 AC that almost certainly works for monks

 

[Tom Cashel]

An outfit of regular clothing counts as a suit of armor that grants no AC bonus for purposes of this spell.

This is the perplexing line from the spell description. I had to read it a few times to figure out why they would make this stipulation; i.e. to specify that normal clothes can be turned into "armor."

Could they also have meant that those who are prohibited from wearing armor (e.g. monks) are also prohibited from using this spell as a loophole?

 

[hong]

This is the perplexing line from the spell description. I had to read it a few times to figure out why they would make this stipulation; i.e. to specify that normal clothes can be turned into "armor."

The Target: line in the spell descriptor specifies "armour or shield touched", so unless they included that line you mention, you wouldn't beable to cast it on normal clothing.

 

[dcollins]

If a monk is wearing a plain (AC 0) tunic and the cleric casts Magic Vestment on it, does the monk loose his special abilities?

No. Even though it offers an "armor bonus", it is not "armor".

Can you make a +5 shirt(or set of regular clothes) then using Magic Item creation feats?

No. Not by the core rules.