Trailer Marvel Animation’s X-Men ‘97 Season 2 | Official Trailer

[jian]

The sliding timescale is hilarious and just makes locking down character ages absurd

It totally is, though I think the main effect is just how much has happened in the last decade and how thoroughly and repeatedly traumatised some characters (especially X-men) are. I'm guessing Miles O'Brien from DS9 occasionally travels to the Marvel universe so he can hang out with people who have even more PTSD than he does.

(I actually think it's more interesting with characters who have been around the whole time. Namor has a fun time in WW2 with the Invaders and then goes back to ruling Atlantis and having a fairly peaceful pleasant time for 70 years until 2016, when he suddenly decides to invade the surface world. A friend of mine blames microplastics.)

The other thing it makes me think is "don't stress about the X-men constantly making terrible decisions, they're all in their twenties at best and have huge repeated trauma and mental health issues, so it's not surprising."

I actually think the X-men 97 series handled this really well by speedrunning a bunch of plotlines really quickly. The whole Krakoa era was, what, one episode?

 

[Vael]

I actually think the X-men 97 series handled this really well by speedrunning a bunch of plotlines really quickly. The whole Krakoa era was, what, one episode?

That was Genosha, pulling from Morrison's New X-Men arc. It included some Krakoa-esque elements, but wasn't actually touched on.

 

[jian]

That was Genosha, pulling from Morrison's New X-Men arc. It included some Krakoa-esque elements, but wasn't actually touched on.

It was so much like Krakoa that you basically couldn't do the Krakoa arc again, even though, yes, it was technically Genosha. And it basically took a couple of days.

 

[trappedslider]

the cartoon has always compressed storylines that last months/years into a few episodes

 

[beta-ray]

I actually did not like the series back in the 90s much at all. That I liked '97 a lot surprised me. Looking forward to how they cover the upcoming storylines. it is still within the period of time I was reading X-Men comics (I feel off of X-Men in the late 90s I think, only once in a while dipping back in).

 

[Vael]

It was so much like Krakoa that you basically couldn't do the Krakoa arc again, even though, yes, it was technically Genosha. And it basically took a couple of days.

I dunno, it's feasible. Krakoa is building on the legacy of Genosha and M-Day and other great tragedies that befell the mutants, so I could see a Krakoan season. But this is my fav era of X-Men

 

[Staffan]

Whether or not this one is in any way an official stance, I feel it has been violated far too many times for it to meaningfully influence how I feel the characters are depicted. The teens can age to adults while the adults stay the same, or young adults (~18) can become 26+ in the same time someone else ages just 16-18 or the like. I certainly feel like characters like Rogue have 'caught up with' various other adult characters like Colossus or Storm, and Kitty* with young-adult characters like Iceman.

Kitty canonically turned 14 during the Brood Saga (Uncanny X-Men #165, 1983) and 15 in Excalibur (#24, 1990) while the rest of the team was lost on the Cross-Time Caper. IIRC, she tried coming on to Piotr during that X-Men comic, saying "We're about to die out here in space so we might as well", but he turned her down. So he's got that going for him, at least.

Now, if you want to talk inappropriate relationships for Kitty, you're looking for another Peter: Wisdom. He was a member of Excalibur when Warren Ellis wrote it in the mid-90s, and had an actual physical relationship with Kitty. Apparently Ellis had misunderstood what age Kitty was supposed to be and thought she was like 19-20 instead of 15-16.

Magneto, Captain America (fortunately frozen for a while), and anyone/anything related to Nazis/the Soviets* just makes hash of any kind of time-keeping.
*especially anything predicting the USSR into the at-the-time future.

Magneto has the excuse that he was at one point de-aged into a baby and some time later re-aged into adulthood, and when tried for crimes against humanity that was used to exculpate him for his deeds prior to that event ("I basically already died so what I did before that doesn't count."). Xavier has been cloned at least once prior to the whole Krakoa thing, in connection with the aforementioned Brood saga.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Something slightly off-topic.

I used to love the X-men, but something recently has given me a seriously serious ick factor.

Wolverine is supposed to be several hundred years old.

Jean Grey was a 17 year old girl.

Wolverine crushing on her and trying to get with her...is...really...really...disturbing. I didn't think about it when I was younger, but now...

He should be reviled. That's just...wrong. He should be absolutely called out on that.

He's older than a Great Grandpa and he's trying to do things with someone young enough to be a Great Great Great....etc...grand daughter.

He's a filthy old guy and the Comicbooks (maybe they have, they hadn't when I stopped reading) really should call this out as just...wrong.

I dont think Logan ever pines for or goes after Jean as a 17 year old.

Also, for decades of comic books he didnt remember most of his life so we are at worst talking about a 30 year old being chastely in love with a "vaguely young but fully adult" woman.

 

[jian]

Kitty canonically turned 14 during the Brood Saga (Uncanny X-Men #165, 1983) and 15 in Excalibur (#24, 1990) while the rest of the team was lost on the Cross-Time Caper. IIRC, she tried coming on to Piotr during that X-Men comic, saying "We're about to die out here in space so we might as well", but he turned her down. So he's got that going for him, at least.

Now, if you want to talk inappropriate relationships for Kitty, you're looking for another Peter: Wisdom. He was a member of Excalibur when Warren Ellis wrote it in the mid-90s, and had an actual physical relationship with Kitty. Apparently Ellis had misunderstood what age Kitty was supposed to be and thought she was like 19-20 instead of 15-16.

Yeah, honestly that was skeevy from the start. Wisdom was at least fifteen years older than Kitty and a sneering author self-insert to boot. Pretty par for the course for Ellis, of course.

(About Magneto, I mean that if the age of heroes started a decade ago in 2016, he’d have had no rejuvenations then and somehow still be a Holocaust survivor who’s physically fit enough to battle the X-men. His first rejuvenation comes courtesy of Alpha the Ultimate Mutant in 1974, or in 2018 by time compression.)

 

[chuckdee]

Jean Grey was a 17 year old girl.

She wasn't a 17-year old girl when Wolverine joined. He didn't join until X-men #94 and all the students were already adults by then.