Spoilers Masters of the Universe

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20 year old
-probably first script and for a blockbuster not great
-childish
  • I could go on
  • humor of a 20 year old is probably different for the vast majority for heman a franchise born in the 80’s

Me personally I don’t find it offensive
 

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I saw it this weekend. I absolutely loved it. My kids, who mostly know He-Man from the Xmas special and YouTube, enjoyed it as well.

The one thing I really hoped to see but didn't is a scene where He-Man runs or does some overt physical act in front of a green screen, then 5 minutes later use the exact same footage in front of a different green screen. That would have truly been paying tribute to the original cartoon.

Also, kinda funny to note that the "Fabulous Secret Powers" version of What's Up was used in the last TMNT movie, but not here.
 


The one thing I really hoped to see but didn't is a scene where He-Man runs or does some overt physical act in front of a green screen, then 5 minutes later use the exact same footage in front of a different green screen. That would have truly been paying tribute to the original cartoon.

Disapointing. Why even make a He-Man movie if you aren't going to stay faithful, plus take that $200 million budget down to like $130 by reusing footage.
 

Oh wow, this film is not in the same league as Honour Among Thieves. That film has a strong script, much better actors creating real characters, and a unified theme.

Full disclosure: I’m a bit too old to have any emotional attachment to the property and only saw it because I was taking my grandnephew. He had a fun time, but wasn't really interested afterwards. It was a diversion. Thankfully he’s young enough that I didn’t have to explain some of the humour. (“Well, you see “fisting” is when…”).

It’s a movie. It exists. Most of the (constant) jokes are juvenile and dumb. It feels like it was written by AI trained on earlier MCU films. The story is forgettable. I’ve literally forgotten most of the plot. The actors do fine with what they are given, except Leto, whose Skeletor is a confusing mishmash. There are some cool effects and some that are not great. They embrace the look of the original cartoon, which is probably a good thing for those brought up on it.

I’d give it a C. As a theme park ride, to invoke Scorsese, it’s not top tier but it does the expected things passably well. You’ll have some thrills and eat some popcorn and then move on.
 

Well I think probably the basic problem is that big movies these days are too big of affairs to have good scripts. They launch into production with half-baked scripts because they need to hit windows when the principals are available, the movie will slot into the intended release schedule, a strike is not happening, or whatever.

Or else the scripts aren't quite right yet because few people actually understand the alchemy of what will actually work well at the other end of such a huge version of the filmaking process, and those that do probably would rather just get started with an "almost there" script than have a bunch of other clueless meddlers mangle it by committee for another couple years. It may well be that no script survives contact with a multi-hundred million dollar production, so why worry about it anyway?

And then once the vast machinery of actual film production is running there are too many people costing too much money to be on call to do their jobs in careful concert to have much leeway to deal with elements that aren't working.

Frankly the blockbuster movie model seems fundamentally broken. This movie is not on target to be profitable and a lot of would be blockbusters better than it also fail financially under the weight of the bloated budgets, but I feel like they are also often burdened in quality by their bloated budgets making them too big to be manageable. Sometimes you get lucky, and if the director or someone else prominent in the process has both a strong vision and clout that certainly ups the odds, but basically its a model of film production that usually misses.
Yep, it's about telling a story in the end and not the special effects. Hollywood and movie studios can't seem to get their mind wrapped around that though. I have also noticed that the longer that films tend to spend in a development cycle the more likely they are to not be that good. I wonder if too much overthinking the storyline goes on.
 

Yep, it's about telling a story in the end and not the special effects. Hollywood and movie studios can't seem to get their mind wrapped around that though. I have also noticed that the longer that films tend to spend in a development cycle the more likely they are to not be that good. I wonder if too much overthinking the storyline goes on.
I see the extremes. These movies are either badly in need of at least 2-3 (more) rounds of edits (on the script side, before being filmed), or they are so obviously the result of a thousand edits by producer-writers-who-aren't-actually-good-writers that, like you say, they are so overly thought out as to be drained of any spark.

Not to get into a bunch of little threadjacks, but what I see as evidence of those:

The Last Jedi was an amazing first draft from a great writer. It badly needed some SW people editing and refining those ideas and it would've been great. Unfortunately, it was great big ideas destroyed by poor continuity, and was clearly the effort of one man who is always full of great ideas, but needed and didn't receive some much needed pushback in order to fit these ideas into the source material. On the flip side, all of the non-trilogy movies were obviously hampered by firing directors somewhere near the halfway point. They felt like they were made by committee in parts, and those parts are always the weakest bits. Just one example: Rogue One is great, but the first third of that movie was obviously the victim of some harebrained decisions. Jyn is billed as a "rebel's rebel" and yet spends the first third of the movie literally just following along with anything anyone tells her, no matter how little she knows them or has reason to trust them. Some of the most beautiful shots from the third act that we saw in the trailers were nowhere to be found in the movie, and they were very obviously missing to a huge amount of the audience, not just some bit of movie trivia that comes out 6 years later in a YT video of "fun things we saw in the trailer but didn't make it to the screen that everyone missed!"

I just don't understand why Hollywood takes the wrong lessons from all of this stuff, all of the time. MOTU was at its best when it stopped winking at the camera and jabbing us in the ribs telling us they just told us a joke we should laugh at, and instead just got to the action. Some of those fight sequences were great, and some of the directing was even beautiful in points. But the tone was all over the place and clearly came from a lack of polish, either somewhere in the writing, or somewhere in the producers-meddling stage. It had all the elements of what made D&D:HAT a fun movie, but none of the personality and charm, despite a cast that was clearly game for it.
 

Just finished watching it. Decidedly meh overall.

I actually liked Leto's Skeletor funny enough, but the laugh was completely off. Frankly if they had just interposed the old cartoon laugh (which would have been so completely different than the voice, but that would have been funny in its own right) that would have been great.

But yeah the humor really didn't land. My theater was pretty dead silent on most of the jokes.

I think fundamentally the part of the movie that really doesn't land for me is Adam. What I mean, the ending message was the idea that Adam was chosen for his heart, his empathy, his humanity. But I never actually felt that. Maybe with Roberta that was the one time he talked his way into having a cohort join him. The "big speech" with the masters was extremely bad....so uninspired it literally felt like one of those things where the boss' son comes and gives a terrible speech and everyone cheers because you'll get fired otherwise. Ultimately he couldn't talk or empathize his way out of anything...he just had to beat people up.

And so I wish that had been the message. That yes men can be understanding and XYZ, but when evil comes down sometimes you have to shut up and kick some butt. Maybe that is not in resosnance with all of the themes nowadays but it would have been a much stronger message (and one the movie actually showcased) than what the "proper" message was.


So yeah ultimately a pretty meh movie, very forgettable.
 



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