If an attacker is currently grabbing a target and wants to use a standard action to move it into a fire which does 2d10 damage, does the target get a saving throw? Also, is the attacker required to move into the fire also, or can it just hold the target in there while staying clear of the flames?
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Dayspire
Explorer
I would say no to the saving throw - this isn't instant death (like pushing them off a cliff, for instance). Pushing a foe into a fire is a nice set piece to a battle, giving the players more options - so it's all good to me.
As far as how to do it, I would look at the bull rush rules (i.e., Strength vs. Fortitude attack, on success push the foe one square). And no, in that case the grabber doesn't need to go into the fire.
As far as how to do it, I would look at the bull rush rules (i.e., Strength vs. Fortitude attack, on success push the foe one square). And no, in that case the grabber doesn't need to go into the fire.
Obryn
Hero
This contradicts the rules pretty explicitly... You get a save against any forced movement that brings you into "hazardous terrain" - not just forced movement that would kill you.
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Dayspire
Explorer
I notice you have hazardous terrain in quotes. Please define that term for me, I'd love to hear it.
Obryn
Hero
Well, having not cracked the book open for my previous answer, I realize the proper term was "hindering terrain."
Check pages 44 and 66 of the DMG. (FYI, "fire" is one of the examples of hindering terrain which would allow a saving throw.)
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DracoSuave
First Post
Hindering terrain is the right term, and is terrain that can prevent movement, punish it, or damage creatures that enter the terrain.
So, a fire that is part of the encounter map is hindering terrain.
A fire that is a wall shaped conjuration or zone created by a power is -not- terrain and is not therefore hindering terrain.
Terrain that assigns a condition but no damage to someone entering it is also hindering terrain, and counts.
So, a fire that is part of the encounter map is hindering terrain.
A fire that is a wall shaped conjuration or zone created by a power is -not- terrain and is not therefore hindering terrain.
Terrain that assigns a condition but no damage to someone entering it is also hindering terrain, and counts.
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A solid wall spell is not blocking terrain?
A spell that creates a pit does not create precipitous terrain?
Where is there a rule that only DM placed objects result in terrain?
abyssaldeath
First Post
Powers do exactly what they say they do. If the power doesn't say that it creates hindering terrain then it doesn't.
Would you call Wall of Fire or Crushing Titan’s Fist 'Difficult Terrain' because they are difficult to walk through?
This is a misread. Hindering terrain isn't a keyword -- it's a description of any square that has certain properties.
Difficult terrain is a keyword. There's no such thing as "hindering terrain" on a map -- there are squares that hinder. You're protected against having forced movement resulting on opportunity attacks because the rules say so; for things that aren't opportunity attacks (eg, hindering terrain), you get a saving throw. The same for the monsters.
A grey area, IMO, is forced movement that moves you into an aura.
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