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<blockquote data-quote="Ratama" data-source="post: 813616" data-attributes="member: 7296"><p>The MT gives up a little bit of power for a lot of versatility; imho, that's how it should be.</p><p></p><p>If your idea of D&D is the 'Iconic' co-dependant foursome skipping down the yellow-brick road, then you probably don't like the Mystic Theurge, or any other generalist class that doesn't gimp the character that takes it.</p><p></p><p>If you look at a Cleric 3/Wizard 3/Mystic Theurge 10 and compare it to a 16th level Wizard or Cleric... sure, it looks overpowered.</p><p></p><p>2x13th level casting and 7th level spells in two classes vs 16th level casting and 8th spells; looks overpowered, and it is... for only that level, though.</p><p></p><p>If you compare a 7th level Bard to other 7th level SC characters, the SC Bard actually looks balanced. But anyone who's ever played or Gm'd for one could tell you that 1 level over or under that, though, and the SC Bard goes back to its normal level of comparative combat crappiness.</p><p></p><p>Excluding the possibilities of levels in 3.0 PrC's (remember, this is a 3.5 PrC that can't be blamed for how it might stack with non-core PrC's like the Geomancer), the Mystic Theurge don't look so rosy compared to it's SC caster counterparts at any CL but 16.</p><p></p><p> I challenge anyone who disagrees to actually build a couple 16th level casters and then compare them (I'm not saying this like I'm calling someone out in the schoolyard or anything like that; I'm just saying that if you really *look* at the actual character you can build with this PrC, you'll see that the Mystic Theurge is, at least with only other Core classes in the mix, balanced).</p><p></p><p>Although, I'd be interested in doing a character comparison featuring a 16th Level Cleric, 16th level Wizard, and 16th level W3/C3/MT10 as a joint effort with someone else for posting here, if anyone else is interested in trying to show just how 'broken' the Mystic Theurgist actually is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ratama, post: 813616, member: 7296"] The MT gives up a little bit of power for a lot of versatility; imho, that's how it should be. If your idea of D&D is the 'Iconic' co-dependant foursome skipping down the yellow-brick road, then you probably don't like the Mystic Theurge, or any other generalist class that doesn't gimp the character that takes it. If you look at a Cleric 3/Wizard 3/Mystic Theurge 10 and compare it to a 16th level Wizard or Cleric... sure, it looks overpowered. 2x13th level casting and 7th level spells in two classes vs 16th level casting and 8th spells; looks overpowered, and it is... for only that level, though. If you compare a 7th level Bard to other 7th level SC characters, the SC Bard actually looks balanced. But anyone who's ever played or Gm'd for one could tell you that 1 level over or under that, though, and the SC Bard goes back to its normal level of comparative combat crappiness. Excluding the possibilities of levels in 3.0 PrC's (remember, this is a 3.5 PrC that can't be blamed for how it might stack with non-core PrC's like the Geomancer), the Mystic Theurge don't look so rosy compared to it's SC caster counterparts at any CL but 16. I challenge anyone who disagrees to actually build a couple 16th level casters and then compare them (I'm not saying this like I'm calling someone out in the schoolyard or anything like that; I'm just saying that if you really *look* at the actual character you can build with this PrC, you'll see that the Mystic Theurge is, at least with only other Core classes in the mix, balanced). Although, I'd be interested in doing a character comparison featuring a 16th Level Cleric, 16th level Wizard, and 16th level W3/C3/MT10 as a joint effort with someone else for posting here, if anyone else is interested in trying to show just how 'broken' the Mystic Theurgist actually is. [/QUOTE]
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