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<blockquote data-quote="Endur" data-source="post: 821530" data-attributes="member: 3346"><p><strong>True Necromancer</strong></p><p></p><p>Before 3.5, T&B's True Necromancer was a balanced class.</p><p>pre-reqs:</p><p>access to third level clerical spells</p><p>access to third level wizard spells</p><p>Necromancer specialization</p><p>Death domain</p><p>8 ranks in KR and KA</p><p></p><p>MT's pre-reqs:</p><p>access to 2nd level clerical spells</p><p>access to 2nd level wizard spells</p><p>6 ranks in KR and KA</p><p></p><p>MT is much easier to get into. MT also gives two caster levels per level, whereas True Necromancer only gave one caster level per level (plus some special abilities).</p><p></p><p>Now what happens in 3.5 if you combine MT & True Necromancer</p><p>levels 1-3 cleric (death domain + something else)</p><p>levels 4-6 wizard (necromancer)</p><p>levels 7-8 MT</p><p>level 9 True Necromancer (lets say stacks with wiz casting level)</p><p>level 10-17 MT</p><p>level 18-20 True Necromancer</p><p></p><p>Let's compare 10th level characters: </p><p>The 3e True Necromancer hasn't entered the prestige class yet and only has caster level 5 for cleric and caster lever 5 for wizard.</p><p></p><p>The 3.5e True Necromancer has caster level 7 as a wizard, caster level 6 as a Cleric, and caster level 13 for necromancy spells.</p><p></p><p>Let's compare 17th level characters:</p><p>The 3e True Necromancer has caster level 12 for wizard, caster level 5 for cleric, and caster level 17 for necromancy spells.</p><p></p><p>The 3.5e True Necromancer has caster level 14 for wizard, caster level 13 for cleric, and caster level 27 for necromancy spells.</p><p></p><p>Not only is the True Necromancer PRC much easier to get into with MT, but its dramatically more powerful. "Dispel my Necromancy spells? I don't think so!"</p><p></p><p>This is yet another example of how PRCs are not being playtested. The playtesters and designers seem to focus on comparing the PRC to a core class. They aren't paying attention to how PRCs stack to provide benefits far more powerful than any individual class offers. I regularly see characters with up to half a dozen different PRCs, whose players are cherrypicking the best benefits from each PRC.</p><p></p><p>Tom</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Endur, post: 821530, member: 3346"] [b]True Necromancer[/b] Before 3.5, T&B's True Necromancer was a balanced class. pre-reqs: access to third level clerical spells access to third level wizard spells Necromancer specialization Death domain 8 ranks in KR and KA MT's pre-reqs: access to 2nd level clerical spells access to 2nd level wizard spells 6 ranks in KR and KA MT is much easier to get into. MT also gives two caster levels per level, whereas True Necromancer only gave one caster level per level (plus some special abilities). Now what happens in 3.5 if you combine MT & True Necromancer levels 1-3 cleric (death domain + something else) levels 4-6 wizard (necromancer) levels 7-8 MT level 9 True Necromancer (lets say stacks with wiz casting level) level 10-17 MT level 18-20 True Necromancer Let's compare 10th level characters: The 3e True Necromancer hasn't entered the prestige class yet and only has caster level 5 for cleric and caster lever 5 for wizard. The 3.5e True Necromancer has caster level 7 as a wizard, caster level 6 as a Cleric, and caster level 13 for necromancy spells. Let's compare 17th level characters: The 3e True Necromancer has caster level 12 for wizard, caster level 5 for cleric, and caster level 17 for necromancy spells. The 3.5e True Necromancer has caster level 14 for wizard, caster level 13 for cleric, and caster level 27 for necromancy spells. Not only is the True Necromancer PRC much easier to get into with MT, but its dramatically more powerful. "Dispel my Necromancy spells? I don't think so!" This is yet another example of how PRCs are not being playtested. The playtesters and designers seem to focus on comparing the PRC to a core class. They aren't paying attention to how PRCs stack to provide benefits far more powerful than any individual class offers. I regularly see characters with up to half a dozen different PRCs, whose players are cherrypicking the best benefits from each PRC. Tom [/QUOTE]
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