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ZEITGEIST Nevard's Visions

squirmonke

Villager
I'm running Zeitgeist, and we're about to start adventure 2. My players are going to go nuts when I share Nevard's visions with them after the attack at dawn square. They were really into the prophesies from adventure 6 of WotBS. I'd like to make the payoff for these as rewarding as possible, so that the players can eventually link them to events in the story. But I'm having trouble figuring out what some of it refers to. I'd appreciate your thoughts.


“I saw a dark figure, standing atop Cauldron Hill, towering over our city. The sun set, and he cast a shadow across Parity Lake, stretching northwest, into the sea, beyond the horizon. He is born in our city, but his ultimate goal is elsewhere. And also things moved in his shadow—indeed, his shadow moved before he did, for while he was mighty, he was controlled by others. “I saw smoke hiding his face, for he was made mighty by industry. In my vision, a king chased him out to sea and defeated him by slicing him free from his shadow. But the cauldron had already shattered, and many thousands were drowned and devoured in its roil.
This part seems straightforward enough, Borne comes out of cauldron hill, and the king sends him to the Dreaming.


“I saw three birds alight on the peak, the first of black silk, the second of black steel, both weeping blood. But the third was made of stars, and it sang many songs
If I had to guess, the first bird is Reed Macbannin, the second bird is Borne and the third bird is... the portal to the Gyre? I'm not sure about this one


“A woman sat on a leather couch in a waiting room, surrounded by red curtains. She held a gold coin and rolled it across the back of her fingers. A pick lay against the side of the couch. I asked her what she was waiting for, and she answered in a language I didn’t know, saying, ‘The place I’m going isn’t here yet.’”
This one seems to me like it's about Xambria and Shijen, but I'm not sure about the leather couch and red curtains? Is that supposed to just be like she's an archeologist with red hair?


“A trumpeter carried a lantern onto the stage of a darkened theater, and the people gathered for his performance applauded, then lit lanterns of their own. The theater never got bright enough for him to see their faces.”
This one... no idea really. Is this about the convocation on Mutravir Island?


“One man tore himself in two, and his twin selves fought over a woman, tearing her into three, who ran away. Mice skittered around them, collecting cheese fallen amid the rails of a trainyard. Then a train roared down the track past me, but it had no conductor driving it. In the distance it derailed, and crushed two of the women, but he couldn’t which of the three survived.”
This one, similarly not sure. At the surface, it seems to be about Nic and Kasvarina. One can see how Nic is split in two, and how Kasvarina is split in two, but I'm not sure who the third Kasvarina would be? No idea about the mice and the train stuff...


“A man carrying a bronze staff with three keyholes was assailed by swords and arrows and fire, but nothing killed him. He began to take off his robes, revealing tiger fur beneath them, while stars fell from the sky all around him. Then the sky was dark, and when the sun should have risen, instead a pale glowing cloud floated in the dark.”
This one seems pretty clear. The man is Roland Stanfield, he becomes a rakshasa when he dies in adventure 9. The bronze staff mirrors the Bronze of Colossus Cell. I'm not sure about the three keyholes though (Just the other cells? not sure if that really makes sense)


“Finally, I saw a tyrant and murderer in prison, hanging from twelve chains and hooks that pierced her feet, her legs, her thighs, her shoulders, her arms, and her hands. But the thirteenth hook that sealed her mouth swung loose, and it fluttered in the breeze as she whispered a map that led everywhere.”
This one makes sense, it's Ashima Shimtu



Thanks in advance for sharing your thinking on this.
 

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Echolocation

Explorer
Firstly, I'm glad you asked about these, as I've been meaning to ask about it too. I can't provide much guidance for Nevard's prophecies, bar your conclusion of:

This one makes sense, it's Ashima Shimtu

One thing I discovered was that the description of Ashima Shimtu has her hooked by six chains (plus mouth hook). The prophecy has her hooked by twelve chains (plus mouth hook). I discovered this after Book 2, so I changed the description of Ashima Shimtu to match the prophecy. As her art has her hung by six hooks, I'd recommend changing the prophecy itself to describe six instead of twelve hooks.
 

squirmonke

Villager
Well, that's interesting. I think I actually like that difference though. It's subtle (my players will probably notice it), and gives a little bit more metaphor to this one. Perhaps it means she's bound by two sets of chains, one being the literal chains, and one being her upcoming struggles with the nature of morality and growth.
 

"One man tore himself in two, and his twin selves fought over a woman, tearing her into three, who ran away. Mice skittered around them, collecting cheese fallen amid the rails of a trainyard. Then a train roared down the track past me, but it had no conductor driving it. In the distance it derailed, and crushed two of the women, but he couldn’t which of the three survived."

Nicodemus vs William Miller. Then Kasvarina is, to use the triune goddess symbolism, a mother when William meets her, a crone when Nic recruits her to the Ob, and then is reborn as a maiden without her memories.

Leone Quital likes cheese, and you find him in a railyard eventually.

The three keyholes thing with Stanfield is, I think, a dropped idea. I don't remember what it was supposed to indicate.
 

squirmonke

Villager
Ooooh the triple-goddess thing with Kasvarina is very cool.

I'm not sure I like the Leone Quital connection enough to use it. It implies too much of a connection between him and which Kasvarina makes it through Adventure 8. Though I suppose in one sense the PCs are the train, and they crush Leone and one of hte Kasvarinas? I'm not sure, I'll have to play with that.

Good note about the keyholes, I'll probably just omit them.

What about the trumpeter?
 



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