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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8449414" data-attributes="member: 6901101">Ok... so can you try to explain it with the only thing we are debating about - point buy or standard array. Because I feel certain you can't. The truth is, the only reason to have a 16 or 17 is because you want the extra +1 in the primary stat. There is no other build you can't do without traditional ASI - except that magical 16 or 17, which doesn't really matter for effectiveness. As I stated earlier, no one is against the exception. Everyone... and I mean everyone who plays 5e as the rules state, is okay with the halfling having the same strength as the half-orc. Everyone is okay with the dwarf as having the same intelligence as the elf. Everyone is okay with having the dragonborne having the same dex as the halfling. The only thing they want, again, to make a difference in race (to turn a knob), is that it takes the halfling, dwarf or dragonborne a bit longer. Four levels to be exact. But... I want it at level one!That is all anyone sees in the argument. I get why you want it. To make a character in the image you want them. But here is the outlying facts:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you say stats aren't that important, then it shouldn't matter if it takes four extra levels</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you say it's how you envision your character, then stats do matter, and you envision your character with an extra +1 - just like the other races that get an extra +1</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">But if you claim that is an individual trait, then all PCs that are your class have the same individual trait - which therefore makes them no longer individuals, but commonplace</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you say it's just not fair, then you are refusing to look at what the other racial feats offer in regard to your class</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">And if you say, no I just want the same as everyone else because I want that +3.... good for you. You are to be commended. And guess what.... wish granted, as that is now the lay of the land.</li> </ul>I will be truthful. I do not care. One bit. I do not think it matters. The D&D realm is so fantastical and diverse, it does not matter. But, I find it insulting to the people who do care, when someone argues on the openness, yet clearly can't demonstrate or disprove the logic and math laid before them. It is insulting to that player's or DM's feel of the game. It is dismissive and has a wreak of arrogance.</blockquote>

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