No spell resistance on energy attack spells?

[Trance-Zg]

What is your opinion on it.

It is basic attempt to buff up evocation(I know wizards need no buffing) but this is maybe the least powerfull school of magic.

On mid level and on 8+ there is too much against it. Reflex saves, spell resistance and energy resistance. Energy resistance should be enough.

So we won't have conjurers that are wannabe evokers by cheesing around that conjuration somehow summons real acid from somewhere and evocation creates it out of thin air.

Conjuration can have it's direct damage spells, but should not overshine evocation in the department.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

I think it's fine. I would move all the orb spells, except maybe orb of acid and the lesser version, back to evocation where they belong while you're at it.

 

[Crothian]

Ya, the only thuing that makes evocation weak is that they placed spells that should be evocation into other areas.

 

[kitcik]

If you are in a caster-heavy campaign, trying to balance schools, have at it.

If you are concerned about the balance between melee and casters, you are going in the wrong direction...

 

[Visigani]

Ya, the only thuing that makes evocation weak is that they placed spells that should be evocation into other areas.

You mean like they did with Enchantment?

There should be no "Transmutation" school.

 

[cjosephs1s]

Well Spell resistance is on the spell for a reason. That reason being it is a magical arcane spell. Having said that I think its silly that almost every divine spell has spell resistance too as they are not arcane in nature.

I think SR is either way overpowered or way underpowered in almost every situation I've seen. I think it just needs to be reworked somehow.

Yes it sucks to have to cast against creatures that have SR 30 and you have almost no way to beat it. It also sucks because players can't ever really have SR that's even worth paying for to make it worth while (really that +5 bonus that only is gonna give SR 21? I hope I get it before I hit level 10..lol) Also mages don't get much of a boost to overcome it.

So sure get rid of it if you can. Just keep in mind some things depend on SR for other things (like it is a class feature for MOnk and golems depend on this wording for their spell immunity most of the time when they get it) So if you get rid of it, have a plan in place to cover times when it normally would have been used effectively.

 

[Empirate]

Spell Resistance. Not Arcane Spell Resistance, or any other kind of arbitrary bollocks. Why should divine spells not suffer from it?

And seriously, most monsters with SR don't really benefit hugely from it. If you want to beat it, you can (Assay Resistance is your friend). But quite a few effects don't go against SR (buffing your party, summoning stuff, or controlling the battlefield), and those things are generally the most potent options on the table anyway.

In other situations, SR is a double-edged sword, since it can prevent buffing and healing of the creature with SR. This is also the reason why I'd hesitate to get it on my PC even if it were in any way numerically meaningful and free.
To sum up, your post don't impress me much, I'm afraid, cjosephs1s.


I can understand where the OP's coming from, but I wouldn't condone their way of going about it, due to what kitcik said. I'd rather make SR actually potent instead. Sure, Orb of Fire (or Force, for crying out loud!) not allowing SR is stupid. So go ahead, change that line in the spell's writeup, and move it to Evocation while you're at it. Also, allow SR to prevent stuff like Glitterdust and Web. Allow an SR check the first time a summoned monster attacks the spell resistant creature, and have the summons disappear if SR isn't overcome.

That should pare those pesky Conjurers down to size at least a little bit. No long will the Evoker be looked down upon by those scum at Wizard parties!

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

I'm fine with the Orb spells not allowing SR. I just hate them being conjurations. "Give them SR and move 'em to evocation" doesn't actually do anything for evocation, other than get a slight smile at seeing conjuration getting ever so slightly nerfed.

SR is really klunky and annoying, I never liked the mechanics of it at all. But in any case, even without SR, an evoker w/o severe metamagic/incantatrix/arcane thesis/etc... abuse isn't doing as much damage as an optimized melee character, even without SR foiling things, so buffing direct damage isn't much of a problem for me.

 

[Dandu]

The thing with the Evocation school is that it's mostly confined to blasting, whereas other schools have diversity, and as we have all learned, diversity is important to success in the modern workplace.

 

[Vegepygmy]

What is your opinion on it.

I've been using this house rule for a couple years now, and I like it. (I've also extended it to damage from force effects.) But then, I've never really liked having spell resistance in the game.