Okay "Daggermaster" for non -rogues ?

[Istar]

Trying to get a grip on Paragin Multiclassing.

Have I read it right that you can Avenger, but then Paragon Multiclass into the Rogue PP "Daggermaster" ??

I want to get the Epic Destiny "Martial Archetype" mainly for the regain an encounter power on a crit, plus the additional Utilities and enounter from another class.

Nice if you get lots of attacks and have a high crit chance.

Thinking alo to go Half Elf and get an extra at-will at 11.

 

[FireLance]

An Avenger could multiclass into Rogue by taking the Sneak of Shadows feat, and he would then qualify for the Daggermaster paragon path. However, he would not qualify for the Martial Archetype epic destiny, which requires paragon multiclassing into a martial class.

Paragon multiclassing is different from normal multiclassing (which simply requires a feat). In addition to the basic multiclass feat, it requires you to take the three power swap feats as well. If you do so, you may gain powers from the base class you multiclassed into instead of taking a paragon path. Hence, if the above-mentioned Avenger wants to paragon multiclass into Rogue, he would have to take the Novice Power, Acolyte Power and Adept Power feats. In addition, if he decides to paragon multiclass as a Rogue, he cannot select the Daggermaster paragon path. Effectively, the Rogue class becomes his paragon path.

 

[Nurgle84]

Have I read it right that you can Avenger, but then Paragon Multiclass into the Rogue PP "Daggermaster" ??

As written above. Paragon Multiclassing is described in the PHB page 209. What is described there is paragon multiclassing. Choosing Daggermaster as a paragon path is not.

I want to get the Epic Destiny "Martial Archetype" mainly for the regain an encounter power on a crit, plus the additional Utilities and enounter from another class.

If I understood right, you play an Avenger? Then you won´t be able to get the ED Martial Archetype. The prerequisite for this ED having a paragon multiclass and being from a martial class. The Avenger is a divine class an a multiclass doesn´t change that. (Although you are able to choose a "rogue only" ED over a multiclass feat)

 

[Akaiku]

That particular ED has bugged me a bit as it requires martial power source and paragon multi into a martial power source.

Multiclass feats makes you count as that power source for qualifying for paragon paths, feats and epic destines. Thusly, if you paragon into a martial, you meet the first prereq by definition.

 

[Doctor Proctor]

That particular ED has bugged me a bit as it requires martial power source and paragon multi into a martial power source.

Multiclass feats makes you count as that power source for qualifying for paragon paths, feats and epic destines. Thusly, if you paragon into a martial, you meet the first prereq by definition.

Not really. The requirment is that you're a Martial class paragon multiclassing into another Martial class. An Avenger/Rogue in this case would be a Divine class PMCing into a Martial class. While yes, technically, you would count as a Martial class for the purposes of things like qualifying for an ED, your base class is not a Martial class and therefore doesn't meet the requirement.

As for the OP, as was pointed out you can't get the Martial Archetype ED since you're not a Martial class PMCing into another Martial class. However, you can still be an Avenger and then regular multiclass into Rogue and pick up the Daggermaster PP. Alternatively, you could roll a new Martial character (Ranger, for example) and then PMC into Rogue and pick up the Martial Archetype ED.

 

[Istar]

I wonder if there is any room, at all, for them to make this anymore comlicated

I like the idea of the ED Martial Archetype, with lots of attack rolls and high chance of critting, meaning you just keep getting your encounter powers back, pretty dangerous.

I thought Avenger oath (2 attack rolls) and Daggermaster 18 to 20 crit range would work well with this ED.

I guess the threads I have seen are Half Elf Avenger with Daggermaster Paragon Path, and also picking up Twin Strike from Versatile Master feat.

Paragon Multiclassing doesn look like much fun from what I can see.

 

[DracoSuave]

Thanks to Arcane Implement Proficiency, -any- Arcane character can enjoy a daggermaster. Personally, I've been playing around with a Storm Sorcerer Daggermaster.

Torn between a Lightning weapon with all Thunder powers to do some thunder/lightning feat shinanegans, or a Vicious weapon.

But man, that much crit on a AoE-based caster is -wrong-. And in a good way.