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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4935598" data-attributes="member: 51325">Not sure I understand the point. Why do you believe it is mandatory to use all the books? You _CAN_ build a PHB-only fighter that is as effective as a fighter that uses all the sourcebooks. There hasn't been that noticeable power creep (certain items in AV1 are a problem) but generally speaking the options in PHB I are as good as those in the latest splatbook.The only classes I think that benefit immensely by their splatbook are the wizard and warlock via Arcane Power AND the paladin via Divine Power. Mainly because they get more options and they were slightly hurting for some using just the PHB1.Assuming characters have the same ability score, there are actually 4 breakpoints in terms of effectiveness of skills.Untrained (+0)Jack of all Trades (+2)Skill Trained (+5)Skill Focused (+8)Keep in mind though that 4e intentionally doesn't want the skill range between characters to be unbounded. Kind of makes it difficult to make skill challenges for the entire party if one guy has a skill of 20 and another has a skill of 0 and they're only at level 11.Assuming you start at level 1, it's actually pretty simple for new players I found. You are starting at level 1 right? If not, a suggestion would be to make the new player a companion character instead of a pc and thus they won't be as intimidated. The DMG2 rules are pretty good for this IMO.I mean, giving a newbie player a level 9 fighter to make in either 3e or 4e is going to be a serious anti-newbie friendly move. Seriously, the 3.x fighter is NOT an easy beginning class. Definitely rather the cleric or druid for newbie players IMO.Ironicaly, I sayt he best newbie class would be the ranger, specifically the archer ranger build. Twin Strike all the time</blockquote>

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