Outsider/Ooze/Plant....Huh?

[Crothian]

What happens when a character gains two presite classes to tenth level and each of the tenth level abilities is one that changes what the character is? Say we have a character that is 10th level Shifter/10th Verdant loed. Does he now count as both a shapechanger and a Plant? Or does the one he gained last count. So, if he was 10th Shifter and a shapechanger and then got 10th Verdent lord he would lose all the abilities of the Shapeshifter, and now gain all the ones of the Plant.

Confusing minds want to know.

I want to know! (That should take some of you back )

 

[Xarlen]

Um... I gotta ask, what level are you playing where you reach an equivilent of 20 levels, Plus the levels you need to qualify for those classes?

 

[Orco42]

Um... I gotta ask, what level are you playing where you reach an equivilent of 20 levels, Plus the levels you need to qualify for those classes?

That is not too high of a level around 30 I think.


Crothian-

I have no clue. If I were the player I would say you get all of the advantages of both classes and none of the disadvantages.

As a DM I would say your have the advantages and disadvantages of both.

 

[Crothian]

Um... I gotta ask, what level are you playing where you reach an equivilent of 20 levels, Plus the levels you need to qualify for those classes?

Fair question. The answer is 6. Confused? Cool, my job is done.

My character is 6th and going to take a prestige class, Oozemaster, and at 10th level I become an Ooze. See the following thread for the character's background.

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18268

I was thinking of also persuing another prestige class, the Contiplative. At 10th level of that I would become an Outsider. So, I am just looking ahead and a little curious about what would happen becasue I've got no clue.

 

[Crothian]

Crothian-

I have no clue. If I were the player I would say you get all of the advantages of both classes and none of the disadvantages.

As a DM I would say your have the advantages and disadvantages of both.

As the PC I would love to have the advanatages of both, hindrances of none. Heck, I've advanced that far, I've earned it!!

However, I have to play fair and the DM in me is thinking that combining the two would be best. I just don't know if anything official has been stated concerning this or if others have had to handle it in their games.

 

[Grazzt]

Fair question. The answer is 6. Confused? Cool, my job is done.

My character is 6th and going to take a prestige class, Oozemaster, and at 10th level I become an Ooze. See the following thread for the character's background.

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18268

I was thinking of also persuing another prestige class, the Contiplative. At 10th level of that I would become an Outsider. So, I am just looking ahead and a little curious about what would happen becasue I've got no clue.

Not sure what happens with prestige classes that do that. But apparently monsters can have more than one type. Check the Atropal in the ELH. It is both an Outsider and Undead.

However, in the case of the Oozemaster and Contemplative, the way I would do it. Gain the oozemaster's ooze type at 10th level and then when/if ya reached 10th in the Contemplative class, assign you "Outsider Traits". Your type remains ooze, but you gain the traits listed. I have seen several monsters done this way.

Or you could just follow the Atropal and take both types if the DM allows it.

 

[Crothian]

Not sure what happens with prestige classes that do that. But apparently monsters can have more than one type. Check the Atropal in the ELH. It is both an Outsider and Undead.

However, in the case of the Oozemaster and Contemplative, the way I would do it. Gain the oozemaster's ooze type at 10th level and then when/if ya reached 10th in the Contemplative class, assign you "Outsider Traits". Your type remains ooze, but you gain the traits listed. I have seen several monsters done this way.

Or you could just follow the Atropal and take both types if the DM allows it.

Thanks, I didn't realize there were creatures with more then one type. I like the suggestion of taking one but using the qualities of both. That might help to keep things simple. I'm not sure what problems could happen from having two types.

 

[Kai Lord]

What happens when a character gains two presite classes to tenth level and each of the tenth level abilities is one that changes what the character is? Say we have a character that is 10th level Shifter/10th Verdant loed. Does he now count as both a shapechanger and a Plant? Or does the one he gained last count. So, if he was 10th Shifter and a shapechanger and then got 10th Verdent lord he would lose all the abilities of the Shapeshifter, and now gain all the ones of the Plant.

Confusing minds want to know.

I want to know! (That should take some of you back )

I'd definitely rule that he'd be considered which ever type he acquired last. Since you don't keep any of the qualities of your native type when you become a 10th level Verdant Lord, I don't see why you should retain any perks of the plant type if you make the conscious decision to then become a 10th level Shifter.

A genasai character is considered outsider, but his "outsider" identity goes bye-bye in the even he becomes...oh let's just pick a random PrC like....an Oozemaster. So if he decides to change again to plant at Verdant Lord level 10 then he "loses the Ooze."

I think the "type" transformation is pretty much the icing on the cake for those particular PrC's. They all come at 10th level, and rarely with any other class bonuses. So when a character comes to that threshold, he makes the decision whether or not he wants to retain his current type or cross over. If you want to reach the near-pinnacle of a PrC but keep your current type, then don't advance beyond 9th level.

 

[Crothian]

Re: Re: Outsider/Ooze/Plant....Huh?

A genasai character is considered outsider, but his "outsider" identity goes bye-bye in the even he becomes...oh let's just pick a random PrC like....an Oozemaster. So if he decides to change again to plant at Verdant Lord level 10 then he "loses the Ooze."

What a very interesting choice of characters and prestige classes. Where ever did they come from?

I figure it's either a combination of the two, or just the last one aquired. Logic would suggest it's the last one aquired. THe first one replaces the orginal type of the creature. Then the next would replace that one.

However, since to do this you have to be Epic, I could understand allowing all the powers to stack. I'm not sure any of them would be gaming breaking.

 

[Kai Lord]

Re: Re: Re: Outsider/Ooze/Plant....Huh?

What a very interesting choice of characters and prestige classes. Where ever did they come from?

I figure it's either a combination of the two, or just the last one aquired. Logic would suggest it's the last one aquired. THe first one replaces the orginal type of the creature. Then the next would replace that one.

However, since to do this you have to be Epic, I could understand allowing all the powers to stack. I'm not sure any of them would be gaming breaking.

*shrugs*

Giving a 21st level fighter the ability to cast charm person twice a day probably wouldn't break the game either. I was answering from a logical point of view, and also with the answer that I found to be most dramatically appropriate. Ten levels in a prestige class pretty much equates with who you are at that point, even if you spent ten levels in another prestige class years before.

At most I would say you could keep the appearance of the prior. I could see an Oozemaster who turned Outsider being a slimy grotesque humanoid that was immune to certain oozes, but otherwise was an Outsider in every mechanical way (can be hurt by criticals, etc.)