Problems with arcane sight

[Venport]

I have a player with permaent arcane sight (pain in the butt) we have a dissagreement about invsable creatures (from spell or natural) i say the player can see the aura from the invsablilty. My player says that the spell would outline the ceature with the ora... the difference dose not see much however I say that there is still a 50% miss chance, he says that there isnt.


what do you think? is there a miss chance? what would you tell him to get him off my back?

oh and can he see ethral creatures?

 

[shilsen]

Definitely a 50% miss chance.

Since magical effects do not generally extend from the ethereal plane to the material, I'd say that he would not be able to detect creatures made ethereal through magic. He would definitely not be able to see ethereal creatures which are ethereal through some ability other than actual magic usage.

 

[IcyCool]

Arcane Sight states that it works pretty much just like detect magic, without the concentration requirement. It lets you know which square a magical effect is in, but if that magical effect is an invisibility spell on a character, the character is still invisible. So, 50% miss chance.

 

[Prism]

There is still a 50% miss chance. Arcane sight simply allows the caster to know that there is magic in that square. It doesn't outline the creature

However, as most of the time the caster probably won't be rolling to hit anyway your player should be able to work around this by simply not casting a spell that needs an attack roll. He could follow the detection up with a glitterdust maybe or simply drop a direct attack spell on the invisible creature

 

[Venport]

Perfict... that's how i will argue it to them.... I knew it would have 50% miss chance i just did not have a good way to argue it... (detect magic -concentraion) My Spell caster was shooting a cross bow last time we had this issue... and he dose lots of ranged touch attacks

 

[Prism]

Perfict... that's how i will argue it to them.... I knew it would have 50% miss chance i just did not have a good way to argue it... (detect magic -concentraion) My Spell caster was shooting a cross bow last time we had this issue... and he dose lots of ranged touch attacks

Well I wouldn't use concentration as an argument as arcane sight doesn't need it. Simply state that arcane sight doesn't outline magic auras so that you can see them perfectly.

 

[Venport]

I would not use the concentraion (sorry if i was not clear) it would use that it is more like detect magic... i think my players would understand that... thanks again

 

[tweety83]

I think that it all depends on what your definition of "aura" is. Detect magic stats that you detect magical aura. The plan definition of aura is "A distinctive but intangible quality that seems to surround a person or thing". That would make me belive that an invisable creature that used magic to become so would have a aura that would outline him. That would negate the miss chance.

 

[Jdvn1]

Please... Arcane "Sight." You so confused me at first.

 

[Prism]

I think that it all depends on what your definition of "aura" is. Detect magic stats that you detect magical aura. The plan definition of aura is "A distinctive but intangible quality that seems to surround a person or thing". That would make me belive that an invisable creature that used magic to become so would have a aura that would outline him. That would negate the miss chance.

The bottom section in this link suggests what you see with detect magic or arcane sight (being like detect magic). It suggests that you can;t even tell that the aura is a creature and therefore its not an outline

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040914a